308 warbird
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Actually I have been wondering about that cartridge. One never hears of it with the long range shooters or any of the Lazzeroni cartridges. Any comments on it? Close comparisons in caliber to any other? Pros/Cons of it? ATR Rick or PGW Steve this is for you guys!!!!!!!!!!
Calvin
Calvin
Here the Savage Lazzeroni article I was thinking of:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/lazzeroni_savage/
It's the 7.62 Patriot they chamber in the Savage.
Ted
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/lazzeroni_savage/
It's the 7.62 Patriot they chamber in the Savage.
Ted
death-junky
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the 308 warbird is a hell of alot more powerfull then the 300 RUM it pushes a 180 gr bullet at 3550 fps and over 5000 fpe and has only 17'' drop at 500 yards no tell me if any .300 RUM can do that
http://www.lazzeroni.com/ct_lacart.htm
talk to ya all later
Riley
http://www.lazzeroni.com/ct_lacart.htm
talk to ya all later
Riley
In the real world, most 308 Warbirds won't either. Can you say "advertising hype"? - dan
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Thanks Dan you beat me to the punch here. This is exactly what my experience is with ALL of John Lazzaronis cartridges, they are a bit faster than the "old" calibers, but not enough that I would consider the horrendous cost and aggravation of buying his propietary brass or ammo. If I still lived in the US maybe but not likely, there are other easier to get calibers that will perform just as well at a fraction of the cost. Even making up a wildcat is less costly AND at least if 1 is smart works with brass that is available.
Maybe before hopping into Johns caliber trap, 1 should see what a bunch of motorcycle owners have to say about his motorcycle parts availability now, they were also proprietary, until he got bored of that scene. :mrgreen:
Mystic Precision
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Lazz will appeal to those well heeled souls who spend more time spouting printed data then burning powder. Sort of like exotic car owners. Exclusive, amazing potential, great bling factor...
Don't get me wrong, I love Ferraris, Lambos and most cars over $100,000 with no trucks. But when you see most of them for sale several years later with less then 5000miles on the odometer you know that this was a status symbol and nothing else (mine would be used and pleasantly abused as its engineers designed it for). They didn't even cruise enough to pick up chicks. Maybe they couldn't get into the seats
Maybe they got really really scared after stomping on the throttle.
Savage has partnered with Lazz to make both the Warbird and now the Patriot line. Sako did the warbird too. But since they don't anymore, I can only guess that non high end buyers didn't see the point. The rifles were about 1/3 a 'real' Lazz. However, brass and dies are big bucks.
To get even remotely close to Lazz printed data, you need a 28" or longer barrel (I think they even say their data is shot with 28" barrels, easy enough to confirm). Any case with that big a boiler room needs barrel length. The 30-378 is no exception. Yes, they put it in a 26" rifle but they also make 28" boomers.
When I see 'amazing results of 4000fps from a 30cal rifle' then read that they are launching 130gr X bullets, I know they are after the reader, not shooter. However, they do go on a few hunts and shoot bores and sheep at amazing distances like 400yds or so.
Hey, marketing hype put Weatherby on the map. Why not someone else?
We all don't have to be practical and drive mini vans...
Jerry
Don't get me wrong, I love Ferraris, Lambos and most cars over $100,000 with no trucks. But when you see most of them for sale several years later with less then 5000miles on the odometer you know that this was a status symbol and nothing else (mine would be used and pleasantly abused as its engineers designed it for). They didn't even cruise enough to pick up chicks. Maybe they couldn't get into the seats
Maybe they got really really scared after stomping on the throttle.Savage has partnered with Lazz to make both the Warbird and now the Patriot line. Sako did the warbird too. But since they don't anymore, I can only guess that non high end buyers didn't see the point. The rifles were about 1/3 a 'real' Lazz. However, brass and dies are big bucks.
To get even remotely close to Lazz printed data, you need a 28" or longer barrel (I think they even say their data is shot with 28" barrels, easy enough to confirm). Any case with that big a boiler room needs barrel length. The 30-378 is no exception. Yes, they put it in a 26" rifle but they also make 28" boomers.
When I see 'amazing results of 4000fps from a 30cal rifle' then read that they are launching 130gr X bullets, I know they are after the reader, not shooter. However, they do go on a few hunts and shoot bores and sheep at amazing distances like 400yds or so.
Hey, marketing hype put Weatherby on the map. Why not someone else?
We all don't have to be practical and drive mini vans...
Jerry
death-junky
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true enuff im the same ya as all you guys y spend $6000k U.S. on a lazzeronie when you can buy a sako in .300 win mag for a fraction of the the cost and it is almost as good or better a firearm.
but the .308 warbird is as you say the lanbergini of bullets but it is a beter bullet in the long run but most of us cant spend over $100.00 a box on rounds.
talk to ya all later
Riley
but the .308 warbird is as you say the lanbergini of bullets but it is a beter bullet in the long run but most of us cant spend over $100.00 a box on rounds.
talk to ya all later
Riley
Mystic Precision
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Savage stopped making all their wide body magnums on the standard 1.060" thread action. I think the larger ones are 1.15" or something like that. Did they also scale up the rest of the action? don't know but it would make sense to do so.
My thinking is that the body of these cases has grown so there is insufficient metal to control the recoil forces.
Be careful. Lighting 120gr of powder in an action that may not handle that stress is not good for your health. contact Savage to confirm. They will tell you the goods since they already have a version for Lazz in the Partriot and did make the Warbird. Maybe a special run of actions were also made????
Jerry
My thinking is that the body of these cases has grown so there is insufficient metal to control the recoil forces.
Be careful. Lighting 120gr of powder in an action that may not handle that stress is not good for your health. contact Savage to confirm. They will tell you the goods since they already have a version for Lazz in the Partriot and did make the Warbird. Maybe a special run of actions were also made????
Jerry
The actions are the same OD, well my 2 of each are at least. The small shank is 1 1/16" diameter or 1.062" and the large shank is 1 1/8" or 1.125" before the threads are cut. A little is lost flattening the threads for a tight fit.mysticplayer said:
