.308 win getting bashed in my group

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So there are a group of people I am starting hunting with. All of them are quite opinionated and have varying levels of success when it comes to hunting, however, they are all (except one) trying to claim that .270 is the end all be all of hunting here in Manitoba as far as their white tail hunting goes. The other one likes his .308 and I was intending to buy my first hunting rifle in 308 regardless of what people say.

Now the point I am getting at here is that one of the more experienced and less ridiculous one of the guys pushing 270 tells me he started with 308 and it was good to start with but likes 270 over 308, which gives it some merit as being "better".

So my question, would a 270 generally shoot considerably flatter than a 308? Is is that much better? I still intend to start with 308 but I am wondering if I should look into 270s in the future or just go with whatever I come across.
 
People are strongly opinionated but if .308 was somehow inferior it wouldn't be such a popular and successful caliber. Shoot your .308 and tell him to shoot his .270 and that you're glad to live in a country where people are allowed to go with their preferences. :)
 
andyman_49 said:
So there are a group of people I am starting hunting with. All of them are quite opinionated and have varying levels of success when it comes to hunting, however, they are all (except one) trying to claim that .270 is the end all be all of hunting here in Manitoba as far as their white tail hunting goes. The other one likes his .308 and I was intending to buy my first hunting rifle in 308 regardless of what people say.

Now the point I am getting at here is that one of the more experienced and less ridiculous one of the guys pushing 270 tells me he started with 308 and it was good to start with but likes 270 over 308, which gives it some merit as being "better".

So my question, would a 270 generally shoot considerably flatter than a 308? Is is that much better? I still intend to start with 308 but I am wondering if I should look into 270s in the future or just go with whatever I come across.
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Nothing wrong with a .308 win. .270 is OK too.......remember, it's a necked down .30-06 springfield.

What I like about .308 win is that there is a more selection of bullets available in .30 cal that what there is for a .270.
 
As stated, .270 does not significantly out perform the .308. .270 again as mentioned is a necked down 30-06 casing which measures metrically to 7.62mmX63mm. The 308 metrically is 7.62mmX51mm. That's a full 12mm or 0.5inches less case length which means less powder and less recoil. All for near identical ballistics. The .270 is capable but grossly overrated.

TDC
 
Thank you for the opinions, I merely wanted to gauge the feelings people had on the subject. To be clear, I always intended to get a 308 regardless of what my hunting group or you guys said, I was just curious if there was a.... quality difference in the shooting that can be accomplished with a 270.
 
Go with the 308

It is a truly versatile cartridge. My grandfather literally lost count of the moose and deer he killed with a model 88 in 308. I asked him once how many deer he had shot with his 88 he said he stopped counting at 60 in 1974. The 308 win is a short action cartridge so you can go with a lighter rifle due to the shorter action. better still you can buy cheap 308 fmj rounds and shoot the 308 a lot and practice makes for dead deer and lots of venison chili. If you really want to see the fur fly buy a 260 rem or 7mm08, both are potent deer killers with negligable recoil. Here is the mandatory mosin nagant plug; buy a mosin and shoot deer with it or moose or bear it will kill all of them. There are probably 100,000 dead nazis that could attest to the effectivness of the 7.62x54r If they were alive :D
 
I've killed quite a few deer ( I stopped counting long ago too) and several moose with both the 270 and 308. No meaningul difference. Currently I have a 25-06 and 35 Whelen
(both variations based on the 30-06, as is the 270) I use the 25-06 primarily for deer but have taken a few deer and moose with the 35 Whelen.

Your 308 will be just fine. Get a gun you like, that your comfortable with and fits. A well-constructed bullet placed in the right spot will do a whole lot more for you than listening to arguments over which caliber or gun is "better" .... that's the stuff gun writers have been making their living on for years. Hang a few critters on the meat pole, the arguing stops pretty quick.
 
are you shooting deer at three hundred yards or more, often? if not then either will be sufficient. a hole in the heart is a hole in the heart and the deer won't laugh at you.
i personally like a cartridge that gives me over three thousand fps with a middleweight bullet for deer. the 270 will do this, the 308 will not. that being said i have killed thirty plus deer with my 308. because i also hunt moose with my deer rifle i shoot a 7mm remmag with 150g interbonds. but that is just my taste.
 
The .270 is a fine long range big game cartridge if you know how to use it as such just as a .308 is a fine long range big game cartridge if you know how to use it as such. But if the .270 is sighted for 200 yards with a 130 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip (SD .242) loaded to 3250 fps, at a quarter mile it impacts 2' below the line of sight. The .308 loaded with a 165 gr AB (SD .248) at 2850, it impacts 30' below the line of sight at a quarter mile. Therefore if the scopes og both rifles can be adjusted for the range, the .270 will have to move up 5.75 minutes while the .308's scope must be adjusted 6.75 MOA in order for both rifles to connect with a target a quarter mile away. So the .308 must be adjusted a whole 1 MOA more than the .270. Does this represent a huge advantage for the .270? I don't think so, but your .270 packing pals might not agree. Carry the rifle that you have confidence in.
 
With the myriad choices of high-end boolits, a 308 in a hunting rifle will kill anything in North America out to 300 yds. Using any typical hunting rifle in a typical hunting environment out past 300 yds. is unethical IMHO. Now, before I get pilloried, re-read the word typical. If a person is intimately familiar with his rifle and loads, AND you know the exact range to a critter, AND you can read and compensate for wind AND you can shoot from a rest, then maybe something bigger could be justified.
 
Accuracy is the name of the game,if they want to argue , ask them to tell you how many target/competition shooters/military/police use the .270 vs .308.

The arguement will be very short and very sweet. ;)

As for which one is better?? The one you shoot the best with. They both harvest animals equally well and in the hands of a confident shooter are effective way beyond where we should be shooting.
 
Between the two, go for the 308. I prefer the short action. Watch out, Kelly will sell you on the 7mm-08, which some say: "a short action cal that out performs the 308! :D
 
andyman_49 said:
The other one likes his .308 and I was intending to buy my first hunting rifle in 308 regardless of what people say.
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If you have made up your mind, do what you want. They are right in that the .270 is an excellent deer cartridge. But so is the .308. If they can't see that, their opinions are, in fact, worthless, and you should pay no attention to any advice from them.

Some real advice: stop letting ridiculous biases and "experts", who obviously know far less than they think they do, influence your personal choices. Why does their opinion affect what caliber you choose for your hunting? Opinions are worth nothing because everyone already has one.

Ballistic facts are all you need to decide what caliber choices you should make. Get out the ballistic charts, and then pick whatever you decide is best for you and go hunting. Whether your new "friends" like it or not should be irrelevant.

Coming to an internet forum for a clear answer to that question is also pretty likely to get you nowhere, because there is no factually final answer to the issue. There is just opinion and preference.
 
One up them and look at the .270wsm,
.308 is a good gun if thats what you want then get one and learn to out shoot them with it
 
You just can't do a mistake by buying a 308. It's been in continuous use by NATO force for 60 years and the only 2 complaints is that it's not controllable under automatic fire and that it's not very effective past 800 meters...

The 7mm-08, the spiritual successor to the 7mm Mauser, is significantly better but that's another story...

Alex
 
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