32 ACP in antique status revolver?

A

appleorangefish

Member
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
So I recently saw this listing on ####### for claiming they were selling a "Transitional 32 acp" with the pre-1893 belgian stamp.
Is this a legitimate antique chambering? I thought 32 ACP wasn't invented until the FN model 1899 came out in, well, 1899.

Any thoughts on if this is a legitimate antique?
Or is this something I should stay away from to be safe. I can't find anything for this in the FRT

Here's the archived link:https://archive.is/pVT2O
(I don't want to link directly to an ad in case it's against the rules; mods please delete if posting this link is)
 
No idea what "transitional .32ACP" is. Those little revolvers were made in various .32 calibers, some with antique status, some not. Given that the 7.65 Browning/.32ACP was introduced with Browning's auto pistol, I cannot see how there would be a transitional version that appeared earlier in revolvers. May be a revolver that will chamber .32ACP, even though that is not the cartridge for which it was manufactured. There were revolvers originally made in 7.65 Browning/.32ACP.
Strikes me as being a lot of money for a marginal gun chambered in heaven only knows what caliber.
Those little Belgian pocket pistols were the handgun equivalent of the JABC hardware store shotguns.
 
that would be strange.. maybe .320 bulldog ?
and if converted to 32 acp, pressures would be too high to be safe I imagine.. BP vs smokeless.
 
tiriaq said:
May be a revolver that will chamber .32ACP, even though that is not the cartridge for which it was manufactured. There were revolvers originally made in 7.65 Browning/.32ACP.
Click to expand...
I know a lot of the velodog revolvers were made in 7.65mm, but those were purpose made for the 7.65 browning/32ACP, and are appropriately marked 7.65mm. I haven't seen any 7.65mm marked revolvers that also have a pre-1893 belgian stamp.

Galt said:
that would be strange.. maybe .320 bulldog ?
Click to expand...

What's strange is .320 revolver/bulldog shares dimensions with the 32 colt, so it has a .320" neck/base diameter, firing a .320 heeled bullet.
But 32 ACP has .337" neck/base diameter and a .312" bullet. This is surprisingly close to 32 S&W, which is .335" also firing a .312" bullet.

That's the same reason why you are able to fire 32 ACP in the 32SW long, 32 H&R magnum, and 327 federal revolvers.

So is it possible that he has just mislabelled a 32 S&W revolver as firing 32 ACP? How does the RCMP treat these 32 cal possibly-antique revolvers when there are no obvious caliber marking?
 
Why not ask the user who is selling it here on the board?

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2129937-2-Bulldog-Revolvers

The cylinder is pretty clearly pre 1893 ELG* marked, pre-dating even the earliest development of the .32 Automatic

As to the "generic unmarked .32 antique" it is generally on a case by case basis. Certain named manufacturers had advertising showing specific non-prohib .32's such as the 8mm Tue-Tue in the Galand Velo-Dog revolvers, the .32 Webley in their own revolvers, so on and so forth.

On the other hand, lots of the Belgian Bulldog type revolver have simply "32" stamped on the left side of the frame which generally denotes prohib, and ones having ".320" or "7.65" stamped in the same location have much better potential to be antiques
 
Milspectacles said:
Why not ask the user who is selling it here on the board?

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2129937-2-Bulldog-Revolvers

The cylinder is pretty clearly pre 1893 ELG* marked, pre-dating even the earliest development of the .32 Automatic

As to the "generic unmarked .32 antique" it is generally on a case by case basis. Certain named manufacturers had advertising showing specific non-prohib .32's such as the 8mm Tue-Tue in the Galand Velo-Dog revolvers, the .32 Webley in their own revolvers, so on and so forth.

On the other hand, lots of the Belgian Bulldog type revolver have simply "32" stamped on the left side of the frame which generally denotes prohib, and ones having ".320" or "7.65" stamped in the same location have much better potential to be antiques
Click to expand...

I have seen some of his ads and I was told that he is a dealer, wondering why he does not register as such, just saying.

I think his antiques are overpriced and labeled incorrectly when it comes to caliber quite a few times. Trying to be honest when it comes to antique and what you can shoot out of them seems to take a back stage over business success. The bulldog which he claims shoots 44 Russian is wrong labeled as well. I own some of those Belgian bulldogs and handled more than my share of them.

.
 
scianna54 said:
I have seen some of his ads and I was told that he is a dealer, wondering why he does not register as such, just saying.

I think his antiques are overpriced and labeled incorrectly when it comes to caliber quite a few times. Trying to be honest when it comes to antique and what you can shoot out of them seems to take a back stage over business success. The bulldog which he claims shoots 44 Russian is wrong labeled as well. I own some of those Belgian bulldogs and handled more than my share of them.

.
Click to expand...
I agree, and I have been mislead by his condition appraisal which was no where near the truth. Be very cautious and seek further info from legal sources, there is no defence in “But your honour, he said it was an antique so it must be”! Lol
 
cooperod said:
I agree, and I have been mislead by his condition appraisal which was no where near the truth. Be very cautious and seek further info from legal sources, there is no defence in “But your honour, he said it was an antique so it must be”! Lol
Click to expand...

I was also interested in one of his listings and wasn't happy with the description and reply I received so gave it a pass.
 
My curiosity peaked I pulled out my Webley No 2 in .320 to compare. While original .320 and .32 Short Colt fit in the cylinder neither .32 S&W or .32 ACP will fit as they are too wide. I did try putting a .32 ACP in the cylinder of a Colt Police Positive chambered in .32 S&W and it fit nicely. I assume the guns he is putting .32 ACP into were either chambered originally in .32 S&W or had original .320 cylinders reamed to the larger diameter. Not something I would be comfortable pulling the trigger on!
 
Canadian laws are of course difficult to navigate, but isnt this fairly clear? From RCMP web site:

Prohibited
What's included in this class

Handguns with barrels equal to or less than 105 mm in length
Handguns designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge
This does not include handguns for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union and where the handgun is prescribed to be restricted

Now after pasting this, i realize that barrel length minimum isn’t a problem where antique status is considered either...
 
cooperod said:
Canadian laws are of course difficult to navigate, but isnt this fairly clear? From RCMP web site:

Prohibited
What's included in this class

Handguns with barrels equal to or less than 105 mm in length
Handguns designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge
This does not include handguns for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union and where the handgun is prescribed to be restricted

Now after pasting this, i realize that barrel length minimum isn’t a problem where antique status is considered either...
Click to expand...

None of those would apply to antique... The test is simple: is it an antique (proper date and not the caliber listed)? - if the answer is yes, it is antique; - if the answer is no, then you need to figure if it is restricted or prohibited (that's when items above would apply).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom