This .323" Lyman spitzer is still seen in some reloading manuals incl. Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook, the data shown is for this bullet in the 8mm Mag. and not for the 8mm Mauser, I'm not sure why this is. The bullet is a gas check design and is rated at 187grs. when cast hard with lyman #2 alloy. The mold does not show as being a current Lyman offering, instead they offer #323470 as the only mold for the 8mm, that being a Loverin design, it would probably be a more accurate bullet though light at 165grs.