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Hey guys, just starting to load some 338-06 and looking for some good receipes (I don't even own a gun chambered in this yet, it has just enamoured me lately, had to start loading while I work on the build)

Anybody else shoot this? Or reload for calibers you don't even own yet?
 
TPB12335 said:
Hey guys, just starting to load some 338-06 and looking for some good receipes (I don't even own a gun chambered in this yet, it has just enamoured me lately, had to start loading while I work on the build)

Anybody else shoot this? Or reload for calibers you don't even own yet?
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EMPHATICALLY...........NO :confused::(:eek:
 
I used to have a .338-06. RL-19, Nosler 250gr Partitions, and Fed 210M primers made some spectacular groups and accounted for my largest elk. Great cartridge.

I have loaded rounds for a rifle I didn't have while waiting for it to be delivered. In fact I have 50 rounds of .416 Ruger waiting to be fired once the rifle arrives.:redface:
 
TPB12335 said:
Hey guys, just starting to load some 338-06 and looking for some good receipes (I don't even own a gun chambered in this yet, it has just enamoured me lately, had to start loading while I work on the build)

Anybody else shoot this? Or reload for calibers you don't even own yet?
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That's funny.

But I bought the dies for my 9.3X62 about a year before I had the rifle built.
 
I wouldn't reload until I had the gun in front of me esp. with it's wildcat past, what if your carefully reloaded ammo doesn't fit the chamber? Nice caliber by the way, has it all over the 9.3s.....
 
Nice caliber by the way, has it all over the 9.3s.....[/QUOTE ]

Oh yeah ?? I have both a 338-06 and a 9.3X62 as well as a 35 Whelen.
Please explain, I'd like to know more...
 
ben hunchak said:
I wouldn't reload until I had the gun in front of me esp. with it's wildcat past, what if your carefully reloaded ammo doesn't fit the chamber? Nice caliber by the way, has it all over the 9.3s.....
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The first 1/2 I agree wholehearedly, how can you load for a wildcat without having the rifle in your hands?

The second statement however...........the only cartridge the 338-06 has "it over" is possibly the 338 Federal. Certainly not the 9.3X62 or the Whelen, both outstanding proven cartridges over many years.IMHO:bsFlag:
 
Kevan said:
Nice caliber by the way, has it all over the 9.3s.....[/QUOTE ]

Oh yeah ?? I have both a 338-06 and a 9.3X62 as well as a 35 Whelen.
Please explain, I'd like to know more...
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A bit of humour from someone who's been around CGN a while is all, I think.

Please let's not have people who know nothing about reloading trot out the load tables of their choice to "prove" their points.
 
TPB12335 said:
Hey guys, just starting to load some 338-06 and looking for some good receipes (I don't even own a gun chambered in this yet, it has just enamoured me lately, had to start loading while I work on the build)

Anybody else shoot this? Or reload for calibers you don't even own yet?
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The 338-06, has several different forms. Nothing really much different but some people liked to change shoulder angles and the taper on the sidewalls. All were called 338-06.

Comparing the 338-06 to the 9.3 and 35 counterparts, they are so close ballistically that whichever one you decide on will pretty much mimic the other in downrange performance.

Wait until you have a rifle in your hands, unless you decide to get a rifle built to the same configuration as your dies.
 
Please let's not have people who know nothing about reloading trot out the load tables of their choice to "prove" their points.[/QUOTE]

I certainly hope that wasn't aimed in my direction as I had no intention of trotting out load tables.... just curious if Ben had personal knowledge regarding his remark or was quoting some heresay from a gun magazine.
Having been a reloader since about 1962, I'm always willing to hear other peoples experiences / opinions..... :)
 
bearhunter said:
The 338-06, has several different forms. Nothing really much different but some people liked to change shoulder angles and the taper on the sidewalls. All were called 338-06.
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That is not true. A 338-06 is a 30-06 necked to 338 with no other changes. It was taken through SAAMI by A-square and introduced as the 338-06 A-square.

Any other variation is not a 338-06, it's a 338-06 AI, a 338-06 30deg, or whatever.
 
Kevan said:
Please let's not have people who know nothing about reloading trot out the load tables of their choice to "prove" their points.

I certainly hope that wasn't aimed in my direction as I had no intention of trotting out load tables.... just curious if Ben had personal knowledge regarding his remark or was quoting some heresay from a gun magazine.
Having been a reloader since about 1962, I'm always willing to hear other peoples experiences / opinions..... :)
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I think it's sort of a joke, started when an incompetent Speer ballistician stated that the 338-06 magically defies the laws of physics and generated more energy than the 35 Whelwn and matched the 9.3

It is often brought up as a reason why the 338-06 is the superior cartridge.
 
rgv said:
I think it's sort of a joke, started when an incompetent Speer ballistician stated that the 338-06 magically defies the laws of physics and generated more energy than the 35 Whelwn and matched the 9.3

It is often brought up as a reason why the 338-06 is the superior cartridge.
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That's exactly what I meant - any jab I make is direct, and this wasn't.

There have been many "discussions" here comparing the 338-06 to the 35 Whelen to the 9.3X62. Every time, someone would produce a ballistics table that showed for example, that a 338-06 would produce higher velocities than a lower pressured 35 Whelen, and therefore was superior. Reason had no effect on changing their mind.
 
TPB12335 said:
This is my first time with a non standard cartridge, if the cartridge won't fit the rifle how would you adjust the die to make it so?
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Anyone have an answer for this? Just wondering how to go about it? If I get a barrel made for a 338-06 (not AI, A-square, ect, which is what I wanted and researched was a straight 338-06) and have bought dies for a 338-06 (not AI, A-square, ect) how do I assure the cartridge will fit in the rifle? Do I just keep buying die sets till I find one that fits? As I said this is my first "wildcat" cartridge and looking for some info before I get in over my head. I was hoping it would be farirly straight forward for my first time, seeing as all it is, is a 30-06 openend up to .338. Appreciate the help guys.
 
Keep it simple. Buy a set of standard 338-06 dies and then have your rifle built - or buy one - chambered in 338-06. Forget about the the various "Improved" versions. BTW, The 338-06 is the same thing as the 338-06 A-Square - a standard 30-06 case simply necked up to 338. (No changes in shoulder length or angle)

If you do find a good deal on a used rifle chambered for one of the "Improved" versions it will be highly likely the seller will have matching dies to sell you as well.

My personal route was to buy a set of standard 338-06 dies. I then made up 3 dummy rounds loaded with the bullets I wanted to use and sent them along with the rifle to the gunsmith who built my rifle. He then head-spaced the barrel off of my dummies. The result is that I have some cases that have been reloaded more than 15 times thanks to minimal working of the brass during re-sizing.
 
TPB12335 said:
Anyone have an answer for this? Just wondering how to go about it? If I get a barrel made for a 338-06 (not AI, A-square, ect, which is what I wanted and researched was a straight 338-06) and have bought dies for a 338-06 (not AI, A-square, ect) how do I assure the cartridge will fit in the rifle? Do I just keep buying die sets till I find one that fits? As I said this is my first "wildcat" cartridge and looking for some info before I get in over my head. I was hoping it would be farirly straight forward for my first time, seeing as all it is, is a 30-06 openend up to .338. Appreciate the help guys.
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the 338 06 is not a wildcat. proper head stamped brass is avalable and weatherby, cooper and others have chamberd for it. older dies will be marked 338 06 newer ones may have 338 06asquare marked. all the same. buy a 338 barrel blank and send it to a good gunsmith.
 
I just had a 338-06 built off a rem 700 action.

There is a bit of differance between 338-06 and 338-06AI (Imp)

Body taper and shoulder angle.......... New weatherby 338-06 AI brass will not chamber in my rifle........ There is a very noticable differance between the 2 when sitting on the table beside each other. One has a taper, one doesn't......

I had my rifle in my hands long before I recieved dies. I ordered a redding 3 die set (FL, Neck & seat) from the same shop that was building my rifle, but the rifle was complete looong before my dies arrived. Barrel arrived last Sept. rifle dropped off for the re-barrel in Dec. Rifle complete in Feb. Dies arrived in Apr.


I made my first set of brass by FL sizing 30-06 brass then running them through a 338 expander ball (I ran the brass up into my 338LM die, lots of room no chance of taping the shoulder). This gave me the basic shape and would chamber in my 338-06. Once I had 50 of them, I broke in the barrel (and fireformed my brass at the same time). I then annealed them and let them sit untill my dies arrived. I FL sized them 3 times untill the brass was trim-able (all just over trim to length 2 were at the max length), 3 neck sizes in and I'm still not in any danger of needing an additional trim. So 6 loadings from new winchester 30-06 brass, and still strong.......

So far I have tried 225gr Horn. interbonds, 225 SSTs, 215 SGKs and 250 SGKs, the 225 interbonds seem to group just a bit tighter than the SSTs and the 225s in general seem to group the best.

My twist is a 1:10, Hart Barrel. Trued action, HS stock with a factory Rem DM.

My 'fireforming' load was 48 gr of Varget behind a 250gr Winchester Ballistic silver-tip. (I found a 100 pack for $20). That was the starting load for that bullet.

My loads are a bit 'hot' according to manuals so I won't post them, but my 'butter' loads are 225gr Interbond, Varget with Winchester LR primers and 250 SGK Varget and Federal GM215M primers.....

YMMV
Cheers!
 
well I had a look into the past......

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496124

Looks like some of my 'remembered' dates were a bit off.......

As you can see when you read the thread, The journey from start to finish is a round about one.....

In all honesty the rifle still isn't 'finished' yet....... I have still not had it coated and called it done just yet...... it is still the same as in the pics.......
 
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