Haha. Thanks guys. I'm well aware of the energy and velocity potential.... just wondering if joe public owns one? I guess not. Todd, saw a pic of yours on huntningbc...very nice! You customs look nice too. I know the fed. can't kill anything but if I could just get those 160's over 3000 I will atleast have one load that I can use on ground squirrels. It was about the time the ultramag was introduced that the molecular composition of moose, elk, and deer hide/hair morphed into the same kevlar weave compound used in bomb squad iniforms. Very unfortunate. Bullets under 3000fps actually just steer of course for a clean miss if they see they're headed for a bullet proof animal. Please don't let it get out, but I still have a 308 that hasn't been told of the changes.