hunter7mmRM
CGN Regular
- Location
- Northern Alberta
hey anyone have any experience with this round? how is the recoil? comfortable range? ammunition costs? thanks
375 rum
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Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Yukon
Its a very good, hard hitting round. Very versatile if you reload.
Ammunition is expensive and hard to find - I can't get it locally, but I consider it one of those cartridges that is definitely best served by reloading.
Brass is pretty pricey - around $80 per 50.
In all honestly the recoil is not in the comfortable range for range work. Most guys I know who shoot any Ultramags limit their range sessions to ten rounds or less - and the last few rounds are not as accurate as the first. I've had a couple of fellows with significant experience with 338 win mags and .375 H&H, try my 375 RUM (Stock Remington XCR with a leupold scope, with handloads) and both of them shot one time and refused to do it again. My father owns a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H and I've been shooting it for over twenty years and it's a kitten compared to my RUM. Wikipedia states that the recoil of a .375 RUM is 3.5 times that of a 30-06 and that sounds about right to me. Nobody feels rifle recoil when hunting, which is good, but if someone forgets to hold the rifle very firmly and keep their eye relief to about 4" or greater, they'll be wearing a stitched up forehead, which is bad.
Ammunition is expensive and hard to find - I can't get it locally, but I consider it one of those cartridges that is definitely best served by reloading.
Brass is pretty pricey - around $80 per 50.
In all honestly the recoil is not in the comfortable range for range work. Most guys I know who shoot any Ultramags limit their range sessions to ten rounds or less - and the last few rounds are not as accurate as the first. I've had a couple of fellows with significant experience with 338 win mags and .375 H&H, try my 375 RUM (Stock Remington XCR with a leupold scope, with handloads) and both of them shot one time and refused to do it again. My father owns a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H and I've been shooting it for over twenty years and it's a kitten compared to my RUM. Wikipedia states that the recoil of a .375 RUM is 3.5 times that of a 30-06 and that sounds about right to me. Nobody feels rifle recoil when hunting, which is good, but if someone forgets to hold the rifle very firmly and keep their eye relief to about 4" or greater, they'll be wearing a stitched up forehead, which is bad.
The cartridge itself is fantastic!
Recoil is directly related to the amount of go dust.
At modest loads it has less perceived kick (snap) than the 338Rum.
Wide open it makes you laugh and wince at the same time...If you shoot big bores you'll know what I mean.
The bad news is the factory Remington rifles are over underweight, have a square edged brick for a recoil pad, and are poorly stocked for this recoil level.
I added a slightly heavier barrel to mine and a mag filled McMillan.
The extra 3/4 pounds and better stock paid big dividends for wide open throttle shooting.
I can comfortably shoot 30-40 or more rounds in a short afternoon.
I have even done some 600 yard shooting with it!
The impacts are not hard to spot.
My buddy took a different approach and loaded his rifle to bursting 375H&H levels...Only with low pressure.
Recoil is modest.
No 375 is cheap to shoot.
Bullets are $70.00or more per box.
If you don't have the $$ look elsewhere.
Recoil is directly related to the amount of go dust.
At modest loads it has less perceived kick (snap) than the 338Rum.
Wide open it makes you laugh and wince at the same time...If you shoot big bores you'll know what I mean.
The bad news is the factory Remington rifles are over underweight, have a square edged brick for a recoil pad, and are poorly stocked for this recoil level.
I added a slightly heavier barrel to mine and a mag filled McMillan.
The extra 3/4 pounds and better stock paid big dividends for wide open throttle shooting.
I can comfortably shoot 30-40 or more rounds in a short afternoon.
I have even done some 600 yard shooting with it!
The impacts are not hard to spot.
My buddy took a different approach and loaded his rifle to bursting 375H&H levels...Only with low pressure.
Recoil is modest.
No 375 is cheap to shoot.
Bullets are $70.00or more per box.
If you don't have the $$ look elsewhere.
Boomer on CGN here is likely your best source of information on this cartridge as I think he is one of the few that uses the RUM to good potential- He uses 380gr bullets in case a polar bear wants to eat someone!
If you are shooting game form 0-400 then a .375 H&H, Ruger, Weatherby or AI would certainly do the job, with less fuss and powder burnt, and inthe case of the H&H and Ruger- more available ammo and brass.
If I wanted a long range thumper I would likely look to the 338 Lapua or RUM.
If I wanted more horsepower at 0-400 than a .375 H&H/Ruger, I'd likely go for a .416, unless you wanted to follow Boomers example....
If you are shooting game form 0-400 then a .375 H&H, Ruger, Weatherby or AI would certainly do the job, with less fuss and powder burnt, and inthe case of the H&H and Ruger- more available ammo and brass.
If I wanted a long range thumper I would likely look to the 338 Lapua or RUM.
If I wanted more horsepower at 0-400 than a .375 H&H/Ruger, I'd likely go for a .416, unless you wanted to follow Boomers example....
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Hitting out to a quarter mile is the same with the .375 Ultra as it is with any other cartridge which produces similar velocity, 2600-3000 fps (depending on bullet weight). I've managed hits out to about a quarter mile with the 380s at 2350, but the drop is about 2' below my 200 yard zero. Some might opine that I don't use mine to its potential due to the short barrel, but as Gate said, with bullets heavier than 300 grs it begins to demonstrate an advantage over the H&H or the Ruger. While I consider the recoil acceptable, and will happily shoot my rifle from prone, not everyone finds this to be the case. Side by side with a .375 Ruger when loaded with the same bullet weights, the Ultra is noticeably more. My rifle is a custom rig built on a Brno 602 action mated with a McMillan stock, but I think an off the shelf Remington 700 loaded with .375 Ultra factory ammo might be objectionable. If I was to do it again I would opt for a slightly heavier unfluted barrel, but then again if I was to do it again I would probably just buy a Ruger Alaskan.
When it comes to the cost of ammo, handloading is the only option, first because factory ammo is expensive, secondly because factory ammo is only available in a couple of loads. This applies to all the .375s, H&H, Ruger, Dakota, Ultra, or either Weatherbys. If you want an affordable .375, the Ruger in either the Alaskan or the African configuration is the best off the shelf option, with a CZ-550 in .375 H&H a close second.
When it comes to the cost of ammo, handloading is the only option, first because factory ammo is expensive, secondly because factory ammo is only available in a couple of loads. This applies to all the .375s, H&H, Ruger, Dakota, Ultra, or either Weatherbys. If you want an affordable .375, the Ruger in either the Alaskan or the African configuration is the best off the shelf option, with a CZ-550 in .375 H&H a close second.
I have used the 375 ultra on a yukon bull moose , with a 270gr X @ better than 3000fps.I think the 375 ultra is a fantastic cartridge, not sure the 375ultra will be here in 10-15 yrs, brass is costly I guess depending on what you compare it to, but the brass is good and lasts a long time.makes a great long range big game cartridge
hunter7mmRM
CGN Regular
- Location
- Northern Alberta
thanks guys for the insightful replies. i was thinking of shooting 230- 250 gr bullets. also thinking of using this new rifle (if i will buy it) as my all around cartridge. i do some deer hunting and got started with elk hunting last season. i hope to hunt some moose this coming season as well. by the sounds of it, it would be more comfortable as heavier rifle, so i would have the option of using my lighter 7mm rem mag for, in the mountains, elk hunting. and i really enjoy shooting the longer distances, so the extra punch would be handy.
I have the .338 RUM and love it. In my opinion, the .375 is only more of a good thing. I bought a tonne of brass and developed my standard load and then insured that I have a lot on hand in case it goes the way of the Dodo bird. The .375 would be no different.
I am sure that recoil in the .375 RUM is fierce. I is snappy in the .338 to say the least. I am using a Model 700 LSS which is a little heavier than the synthetic guns - and I am thankful for that. I tried a couple of different scopes which the recoil chewed up and spit out. I settled on Zeiss and have never looked back since.
Would love to have a .375 RUM, but it is a lot of money to get established with the gun, quality scope, and then all you would need to reload and keep yourself in ammo for years to come.
I am sure that recoil in the .375 RUM is fierce. I is snappy in the .338 to say the least. I am using a Model 700 LSS which is a little heavier than the synthetic guns - and I am thankful for that. I tried a couple of different scopes which the recoil chewed up and spit out. I settled on Zeiss and have never looked back since.
Would love to have a .375 RUM, but it is a lot of money to get established with the gun, quality scope, and then all you would need to reload and keep yourself in ammo for years to come.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I know Barnes has offered the 250gr TTSX with a really amazing ballistic coefficient in .375, but I would really look at the .338 Ultra (provided you know you want overkill/an ultra) if you're interested in that weight range primarily (230-250gr). In my opinion, my .375 Ultra was at its best with 300gr bullets (a Remington LSS).
Truthfully, and I'm really not recoil sensitive in conventional terms, the .375 Ultra was about the rudest gun I've fired. Perhaps it didn't fit me right, and it was light, but it has a very sharp, snappy recoil that shocks your cheek. I can shoot it, but it's not like a .375 H&H or Ruger where recoil is never truly objectionable. Every round is a chore after 10 for this shooter with hot 300grs.
I should mention that when I first got my factory 375Ultra (BDL) I did some load development with 300 grain bullets and smoking hot RL-25 loads....
It was the first gun ever to physically hurt me...The square edge pad knocked the crap out of something in my rotator cuff (shoulder joint).
I shoot 416s and fast .458's so I know what I'm doing around heavy recoil.
The factory 375 Rum rifles are nasty at full throttle.
It was the first gun ever to physically hurt me...The square edge pad knocked the crap out of something in my rotator cuff (shoulder joint).
I shoot 416s and fast .458's so I know what I'm doing around heavy recoil.
The factory 375 Rum rifles are nasty at full throttle.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I agree, most every .375 RUM shooter I've met ultimately download their general use loads to .375 H&H ballistics, had I kept mine I would have routinely done the same.
I'll shoot a .416 Rigby gladly before a .375 Ultra, I'd even select .458 Lott over it, at least from my wicked old Remington. That said, if a shooter can handle it, it's a fearsome cartridge.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I've got some video of me shooting prone with the Ultra, and viewed in slow motion its something to see. For some reason I can't get my computer to recognize the camera anymore, to bad, I'd like to post that.
LOL!
I'd like to see that.
I find its not too bad if you can get up on your elbows and make a nice pocket for the rifle.
Last time I was prone with mine I would cough a couple of times after every round...Gives you a good jolt that is for sure.
3 rounds is no problem..My 338 Edge is much worse.
