375 Weatherby

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I while ago I ran across a Remington 700 “C” grade in 375 weatherby
A beautiful rifle at a reasonable price and came with a bunch of fire formed brass.
I still had about 50 loaded rounds from a past h&h so I was fairly set up for brass for it.
I got a Leupold vx3hd 1.5-5x20 and threw it on with som DD rings and bases.
Loaded up some 250gr Barnes ttsx with varget. Wow does this old girl shoot, one hole at 100 yards with the second load! Anyone else running the nice weatherby version?
I think it is just right, and well better than the h&h(I know heresy) and not as obnoxious as the 378 and much better than Rugers version lol
 
No WBY but had a JRS way back. Both great rounds. Quite a bit more than the H&H. Got a No.1 in H&H now and an obnoxious WBY. Haha
 
leeelmer said:
I while ago I ran across a Remington 700 “C” grade in 375 weatherby
A beautiful rifle at a reasonable price and came with a bunch of fire formed brass.
I still had about 50 loaded rounds from a past h&h so I was fairly set up for brass for it.
I got a Leupold vx3hd 1.5-5x20 and threw it on with som DD rings and bases.
Loaded up some 250gr Barnes ttsx with varget. Wow does this old girl shoot, one hole at 100 yards with the second load! Anyone else running the nice weatherby version?
I think it is just right, and well better than the h&h(I know heresy) and not as obnoxious as the 378 and much better than Rugers version lol
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I've had a 375 bee built on an Enfield for around 40 years now. Great hunting round. - dan
 
A good friend has the 375H&H AI in a Ruger No.1 Tropical that was rechambered. It shoots very well and is actually fun to shoot with open sights. Capable of cloverleaf groups at 100 yards.
After reading about the 375 Wby and comparing it the the AI, I was considering a rifle in 375 Wby just have something a little different than Pete...then my shoulders began having issues and recoil from the harder recoiling rifles were an issue. I even sold my 338 Win Mag and built a 338-06 for reduced felt recoil.
After my shoulder surgery and improvement in my shoulder, I went back to looking at a 375 caliber bolt action. It was about then that the 376 Steyr was introduced, and the capacity of the cartridge and the reduced recoil prompted me to go this route. I really enjoy the 376 Steyr! It is a pussycat to shoot off the bench with 260 gr AccuBonds at 2632 fps from a 21" barrel (mannlicher stocked rifle). And I have taken elk and bison with it to date.
But I still think that the 375 Wby would have been fun and interesting to own, shoot and hunt with!
Hope you have many great adventures with your new rifle!
 
Gatehouse said:
"375 WBY/375 AI cartridges are all good improvements on the obsolete H&H."
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That's a factually false comment on a number of important levels, patently false. I think if you researched the numbers of folks choosing and using .375 H&H as compared to all other .375 cartridges today you'd find there are more H&H being hunted with the same successes as always than all the other .375's combined. Vastly eclipsing the .375 Weatherby, which is not terribly popular at all - only chambered for in fact by Weatherby itself, whose rifles are not recommended by the way by the pros who use .375 league firearms. If that's "obsolete" then so are the. 270 and .308 and the .30-06 and etc etc. etc. Sure, there are cartridges that can offer a performance edge that is completely unnecessary under most hunting conditions, as proven by the continued dominance of the H&H. I think the rest of it is a ballistics fetish. Which is fine, recognizing it for what it is. Hey, if you find a rifle you just love in a hotter 'improved' calibre, why not if you're willing to pay the price in ammo rarity and recoil. Keep in mind though that 'improvements' in velocity once you are in the territory of the H&H are actually detractions in hunting situations, there are a lot of guys that don't understand this. They look good on stat sheets is about it.
 
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I’ve also got a Rem 700 C; though mine is in 375 H&H. Actually owned it twice; traded it to a friend who just had to have it, then bought it back again later😂. Shot a dozen buffalo with that one.
My 375 ‘Bee is a CZ 550 rebarrelled after I shot out the original. There is a very noticeable difference in velocity and recoil. Recoil the way I load it is up into the spirited .416 and big 458 class, which may or may not be your bag of biltong😂


Mine has the old style throat, which has a good 3/4” of freebore compared to the more recent but still pretty old 3/8”. It makes a big difference in how much powder it’ll swallow, and is reflected in how many old manuals quote loads that might well be dangerous in the short throat version. So work up; blah blah blah, chronograph is your friend.
 
Dogleg said:
I’ve also got a Rem 700 C; though mine is in 375 H&H. Actually owned it twice; traded it to a friend who just had to have it, then bought it back again later😂. Shot a dozen buffalo with that one.
My 375 ‘Bee is a CZ 550 rebarrelled after I shot out the original. There is a very noticeable difference in velocity and recoil. Recoil the way I load it is up into the spirited .416 and big 458 class, which may or may not be your bag of biltong😂


Mine has the old style throat, which has a good 3/4” of freebore compared to the more recent but still pretty old 3/8”. It makes a big difference in how much powder it’ll swallow, and is reflected in how many old manuals quote loads that might well be dangerous in the short throat version. So work up; blah blah blah, chronograph is your friend.
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Agree. I prefer the 375 bee over the original. It's an improvement in most ways. - dan
 
thewoodsrunner said:
That's a factually false comment on a number of important levels, patently false. I think if you researched the numbers of folks choosing and using .375 H&H as compared to all other .375 cartridges today you'd find there are more H&H being hunted with the same successes as always than all the other .375's combined. Vastly eclipsing the .375 Weatherby, which is not terribly popular at all - only chambered for in fact by Weatherby itself, whose rifles are not recommended by the way by the pros who use .375 league firearms. If that's "obsolete" then so are the. 270 and .308 and the .30-06 and etc etc. etc. Sure, there are cartridges that can offer a performance edge that is completely unnecessary under most hunting conditions, as proven by the continued dominance of the H&H. I think the rest of it is a ballistics fetish. Which is fine, recognizing it for what it is. Hey, if you find a rifle you just love in a hotter 'improved' calibre, why not if you're willing to pay the price in ammo rarity and recoil. Keep in mind though that 'improvements' in velocity once you are in the territory of the H&H are actually detractions in hunting situations, there are a lot of guys that don't understand this. They look good on stat sheets is about it.
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McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Doesn't make them the better than the rest. Just like the H&H might be more popular but the WBY and Ruger are still better cartridges.
 
I think the definition of better is the issue here. Short, fat and efficient is good for sure. To me, bigger, cooler looking and slick feeding with a ton of history is better. Practical is over rated, otherwise we’d all be out there packing .308s.
 
Gatehouse said:
McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Doesn't make them the better than the rest. Just like the H&H might be more popular but the WBY and Ruger are still better cartridges.
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False analogy. McDonalds being ####. Cartridges that are the equivalent of their hamburgers aren't around long. Even some better aren't. Show me a box of .450 Marlin on the shelves, for instance.

Todays fetishes in hunting are long-range sniping and loading rounds for the absolute max velocity, both fads driven by folks who for the most part don't understand hunting nor hunting rounds, i'd argue. So under such conditions it would not surprise me if plenty of folks think Weatherby's high powered offerings, championed by pretty much zero of the true pros (nor their rifles) represent an improvement. The beauty of the .375 H&H has meanwhile not changed, it does all things hunting from small deer to elephant well without beating the snot out of the shooter nor requiring a wild-goose chase to obtain. The Ruger is certainly better than the Weatherby, and (marginally) the H&H for velocity. But we didn't need more velocity, thanks to which it kicks harder. Unlike the extinct .450 Marlin which actually was a needed improvement on its parent round (the .45-70) the .375 Ruger is a completely unnecessary invention. We already had the perfect cartridge in that class - the H&H.
 
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thewoodsrunner said:
False analogy. McDonalds being ####. Cartridges that are the equivalent of their hamburgers aren't around long. Even some better aren't. Show me a box of .450 Marlin on the shelves, for instance.

Todays fetishes in hunting are long-range sniping and loading rounds for the absolute max velocity, both fads driven by folks who for the most part don't understand hunting nor hunting rounds, i'd argue. So under such conditions it would not surprise me if plenty of folks think Weatherby's high powered offerings, championed by pretty much zero of the true pros (nor their rifles) represent an improvement. The beauty of the .375 H&H has meanwhile not changed, it does all things hunting from small deer to elephant well without beating the snot out of the shooter nor requiring a wild-goose chase to obtain. The Ruger is certainly better than the Weatherby, and (marginally) the H&H for velocity. But we didn't need more velocity, thanks to which it kicks harder. Unlike the extinct .450 Marlin which actually was a needed improvement on its parent round (the .45-70) the .375 Ruger is a completely unnecessary invention. We already had the perfect cartridge in that class - the H&H.
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The H&H still works of course. But it's case design is obsolete. The Ruger does everything the H&H does and more- in a modern beltless case and a COAL that fits into just about any standard action rifle. It's simply a better cartridge.
 
Gatehouse said:
McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Doesn't make them the better than the rest. Just like the H&H might be more popular but the WBY and Ruger are still better cartridges.
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No, but the fact you can get a better hamburger at the pub doesn't make McDonalds obsolete either. Better and obsolete are two completely different concepts, better CAN lead to something being obsolete, but especially in the gun world it rarely does.
 
Suther said:
Sure.

https://lakecountrycoopoutdoors.ca/product/hornady-450-marlin-325-gr-ftx-leverevolution/

https://www.corlanes.com/hornady-leverevolution-rifle-ammunition.html

Browning still makes the BLR in 450 Marlin too, so even though Marlin isn't making them these days there are still new guns out there in the caliber.

450 Marlin is a niche cartridge, absolutely, but its not obsolete either.
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Okay, so not obsolete. I wonder how many .450 Marlin rounds are out there taking game from deer to elephant in a given year, what percentage this would be of the number of .375 H&H rounds taking the same game each and every year to this day? Let's just narrow it down to cape buffalo, what would be your guess as to the number of cape buffalo taken by the non-obsolete .450 Marlin in an average year? Zero? One occasionally? Ever? How about the H&H? Who wants to lay odds that a buffalo dropped to a .375 H&H on this very day?

Let's cut to the chase as good hunters do. From Oxford Dictionary - "Obsolete, def: no longer produced or used; out of date."

So is the claim that the .375 H&H is obsolete literally true or literally nonsense?
 
thewoodsrunner said:
Let's cut to the chase as good hunters do. From Oxford Dictionary - "Obsolete, def: no longer produced or used; out of date."

So is the claim that the .375 H&H is obsolete literally true or literally nonsense?
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Both 450 Marlin and 375 H&H are still produced and used, so I'd say neither are obsolete.
 
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