3d printed magazines for LAR-15?

[Daver_II]

I would like to play around with 3d printing my own magazines, I will start with modelling some more .22lr mags for my P226, but was wondering if I am able to make LAR magazines for my Troy PAR.

Does anyone know where I can find out the legalities of manufacturing magazines?

 

[Melnibonean]

Knock yourself out. A magazine body is fine.

Just remember to make sure it holds the correct amount of rounds for the platform it was designed (copied in your case) originally for, but that has more to do with internals than with externals.

 

[Gatehouse]

I still think Troy should make a Canadian version of the PAR with a Canadian magazine. The PAR magwell would have a cutout. The 20 round magazine would have a projection that fits into the cut out. The magazine wouldn't fit into an AR magwell, becuase the projection would prevent it. So it would be a dedicated pump action magazine, not limited to 5 rounds.

 

[hbean]

LAR-15 is a Rock River Arms pistol, make sure you label it as such.

 

[grumpyguy]

My neighbour does generic AR mags but I can't speak on the legalities of these items.

 

[cr5]

Contact the RCMP firearms lab and ask them.
My best guess is that as long as AR mags only held 5 rounds they would be legal but if you wanted to make AR-15 pistol mags you would need their stamp of approval prior to using them.

 

[norlandgeese]

Not to be contrary or tin foil, the less we call the RCMP lab to ask about stuff the better.

 

[DT741]

Not to be contrary or tin foil, the less we call the RCMP lab to ask about stuff the better.

Agree with that

 

[Deckard]

The answer for the lab rats is always "No!" What are you thinking?

 

[Johnyy]

Can you print me 25rnd a magazine for my AR 7 .22?

 

[Melnibonean]

Contact the RCMP firearms lab and ask them.
My best guess is that as long as AR mags only held 5 rounds they would be legal but if you wanted to make AR-15 pistol mags you would need their stamp of approval prior to using them.

I don't think he's printing the spring and follower, only the outside carcass, so the RCMP would no say in the matter.

 

[cr5]

I don't think he's printing the spring and follower, only the outside carcass, so the RCMP would no say in the matter.

I'm pretty sure the RCMP will have a problem with someone making their own magazines that will fit an AR that can hold more than five rounds. What do the spring and follower have to do with it? A legal AR pistol magazine is no different from a ten round AR magazine other than the stamp on the side which they must have a license to do, this is why you can't just take any magazine and stamp it as a pistol mag and pin it to ten rounds.
If it were that easy do you think ATRS would have designed and had their own pistol magazine manufactured at a huge up front expense? Or would they have simply taken a magpul pmag and stamped it 10 round pistol and saved themselves thousands of dollars?

If you want to blindly risk being in possession of a prohibited device, risk criminal charges, and have your RPAL revoked for life go ahead but I think anyone with any self preservation instinct will want to hear it from the people who the government has put in place to interpret and enforce these ridiculous laws and not just go on random opinions of people on an open forum.

 

[Daver_II]

Exactly why I asked for information... Not advice.

I know I can make a 5 round mag, but can I make a 10 as LAR mags?

I don't know.

 

[P0WERWAGON]

why would you need a license to make a 10 round pistol mag? it just has to be designed as a pistol mag, and if you make it yourself from a pile of plastic pellets, then they cannot argue it was converted from a rifle.

 

[Gatehouse]

I still think Troy should make a Canadian version of the PAR with a Canadian magazine. The PAR magwell would have a cutout. The 20 round magazine would have a projection that fits into the cut out. The magazine wouldn't fit into an AR magwell, becuase the projection would prevent it. So it would be a dedicated pump action magazine, not limited to 5 rounds.

Now that I think about it, why not just get a slot milled out on your TROY magwell and make your own 20 round magazines with a projection on them? They won't fit into an AR magwell, so I don't see why they wouldn't be legal.

 

[cr5]

Exactly why I asked for information... Not advice.

I know I can make a 5 round mag, but can I make a 10 as LAR mags?

I don't know.

Which is why my advice is to contact the people who will be arresting you if they don't like what you build.
I think we should be allowed to own and/or make magazines of any capacity but that's just my opinion and when it goes to court no judge will care what I think or what anyone else on this site thinks, they will only care what they interpret the written law to say.
If you don't want to contact the firearms lab then I would contact someone like Rick at ATRS who is a licenced firearms manufacturer and ask what he had to go through to legally manufacture his own pistol magazines. I guarantee it was not as simple as building them and putting a stamp on them, I'm pretty sure he needed to submit a prototype and have it approved. He showed me the first ATRS pistol mag he built and told me it cost him something like $10000 for the first one. I think he asked me somehing like, "wanna see the most expensive magazine in the world?"

Also remember that if you copy another design you may be looking at patent infringement, you can't just 3d print whatever you want unless you design it yourself and when it comes to firearms parts you need to consider that people who legally make firearms parts are licensed to do so not just joe blow with a lathe, milling machine, or 3d printer.

 

[Daver_II]

Which is why my advice is to contact the people who will be arresting you if they don't like what you build.
I think we should be allowed to own and/or make magazines of any capacity but that's just my opinion and when it goes to court no judge will care what I think or what anyone else on this site thinks, they will only care what they interpret the written law to say.
If you don't want to contact the firearms lab then I would contact someone like Rick at ATRS who is a licenced firearms manufacturer and ask what he had to go through to legally manufacture his own pistol magazines. I guarantee it was not as simple as building them and putting a stamp on them, I'm pretty sure he needed to submit a prototype and have it approved. He showed me the first ATRS pistol mag he built and told me it cost him something like $10000 for the first one. I think he asked me somehing like, "wanna see the most expensive magazine in the world?"

Also remember that if you copy another design you may be looking at patent infringement, you can't just 3d print whatever you want unless you design it yourself and when it comes to firearms parts you need to consider that people who legally make firearms parts are licensed to do so not just joe blow with a lathe, milling machine, or 3d printer.

Respectfully...

I am looking for verifiable information, legal requirements, etc... Not advice.
I have been in contact with several manufacturers.
Contacting police and saying that I want to start making firearm parts is a good way to get unwanted attention, especially if they are not understanding.

Also, anyone with the proper PAL/RPAL can manufacture a firearm or firearm parts if they want. A functional firearm would just needs to be verified. And cannot be for commercial purposes without a manufacturing license.

Sure, I cannot copy another manufacturers magazine, but the process of a box/spring/follower is not owned or patented.

 

[cr5]

Respectfully...

I am looking for verifiable information, legal requirements, etc... Not advice.
I have been in contact with several manufacturers.
Contacting police and saying that I want to start making firearm parts is a good way to get unwanted attention, especially if they are not understanding.

Also, anyone with the proper PAL/RPAL can manufacture a firearm or firearm parts if they want. A functional firearm would just needs to be verified. And cannot be for commercial purposes without a manufacturing license.

Sure, I cannot copy another manufacturers magazine, but the process of a box/spring/follower is not owned or patented.

So what answers have you gotten from the manufacturers you've spoken to?
The reason I think you'll run into problems and why I think you need to speak to the so called "experts" is that to function in the Troy PAR it will also function in an AR. If you were building a magazine to function in a remington 700 with the factory detachable bottom metal you would be good to go but as soon as you're building something that will function in a restricted semi auto firearm you're swimming in shark infested waters with a raw steak tied around your neck.
I'm only saying this because I would hate to see someone get drug through the court system over something stupid that could be avoided. I'm no expert and I don't claim to know how the laws apply to this situation but I know the RCMP don't like us to begin with and if we start building things they don't approve of they start overstepping their authority again and making new laws, and with a liberal gov in power who also hate us there is no one there to pull back on the reigns and remind them they don't make law they're just there to enforce what we already have.

 

[norlandgeese]

Respectfully...

I am looking for verifiable information, legal requirements, etc... Not advice.
I have been in contact with several manufacturers.
Contacting police and saying that I want to start making firearm parts is a good way to get unwanted attention, especially if they are not understanding.

Also, anyone with the proper PAL/RPAL can manufacture a firearm or firearm parts if they want. A functional firearm would just needs to be verified. And cannot be for commercial purposes without a manufacturing license.

Sure, I cannot copy another manufacturers magazine, but the process of a box/spring/follower is not owned or patented.

Looking at how this thread is going, you might need to wait a bit to see if someone who has actual knowledge about legal matters will chime in.

 

[P0WERWAGON]

Now that I think about it, why not just get a slot milled out on your TROY magwell and make your own 20 round magazines with a projection on them? They won't fit into an AR magwell, so I don't see why they wouldn't be legal.

they determined than any mag that fits the PAR or the 7615 for that matter, is an AR mag. you would have to have Troy make a NEW lower that takes these special mags. has to be designed that way, not just modified. i know it is stupid, but look who is making up their own rules as they go along

Also, anyone with the proper PAL/RPAL can manufacture a firearm or firearm parts if they want. A functional firearm would just needs to be verified. And cannot be for commercial purposes without a manufacturing license.

Sure, I cannot copy another manufacturers magazine, but the process of a box/spring/follower is not owned or patented.

you only need a PAL to make a receiver, the serialized part. the rest anybody can make with no license.

you can copy the sh!t out of anything you want, as long as it is for your own personal use. once you make it for a monetary concern, then there are issues to be delt with.