410 guage tactical shotties?
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beavis_m305
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Saiga .410 comes to mind. Also the Winchester 94 .410
Saiga is prohibited.
Mossberg made a pump .410 with a vertical front grip and some sort of tackykewl muzzle thing for home defence.
Mossberg, Remington make pump .410s which could be decked out with the bells, whistles and bobble-headed dolls so dear to the hearts of mirror and gunshop komandos.
Remington offers semi auto .410s, which could no doubt be modified.
Mossberg made a pump .410 with a vertical front grip and some sort of tackykewl muzzle thing for home defence.
Mossberg, Remington make pump .410s which could be decked out with the bells, whistles and bobble-headed dolls so dear to the hearts of mirror and gunshop komandos.
Remington offers semi auto .410s, which could no doubt be modified.
I can't see a .410 being very useful for self defense or tactical , unless you have a chicken or partridge trying to break into your house in the middle of the night.
I've loaded .410 shells for many years, and in many configurations, they simply have no power for much other than small very small game. I've played with slugs and a chronograph for countless hours and days that I'll never get back. The result is a slow speed 1/5 oz slug that has not much more energy than a .22 cal bullet. I've played with .000 buckshot in every imaginable load, but groups all over the place at 20 feet and has less energy than takes to get through a thick piece of plywood. Trying to keep four 000 ball in a row shot everywhere, or the group would barely make it through cardboard. Even the best grouping bird shot has no more than 3/4 oz lead, which in my opinion is not so good for offensive/defensive rounds when compared to what you can get out of a 12 or 20 gauge.
I can go on and on about experiments of trying to make useful loads for .410 other than small game loads, but most of them don't work very well at all. At the end of the day, a .410 make a wonderful gun for small game, but if you want it for anything else, you might want to revisit a caliber /gauge that that has some power before you fork out big cash for something that has more show than power.
The best shotguns are made in 12 and 20 gauge for a reason, and the prices reflect this.
I've loaded .410 shells for many years, and in many configurations, they simply have no power for much other than small very small game. I've played with slugs and a chronograph for countless hours and days that I'll never get back. The result is a slow speed 1/5 oz slug that has not much more energy than a .22 cal bullet. I've played with .000 buckshot in every imaginable load, but groups all over the place at 20 feet and has less energy than takes to get through a thick piece of plywood. Trying to keep four 000 ball in a row shot everywhere, or the group would barely make it through cardboard. Even the best grouping bird shot has no more than 3/4 oz lead, which in my opinion is not so good for offensive/defensive rounds when compared to what you can get out of a 12 or 20 gauge.
I can go on and on about experiments of trying to make useful loads for .410 other than small game loads, but most of them don't work very well at all. At the end of the day, a .410 make a wonderful gun for small game, but if you want it for anything else, you might want to revisit a caliber /gauge that that has some power before you fork out big cash for something that has more show than power.
The best shotguns are made in 12 and 20 gauge for a reason, and the prices reflect this.
yes, but be sure to fully understand this ahead of time. If you're going to combat anything larger than a herd of armed bunnies, you will be very unhappy with the yield of results for the cash paid out. Poor results, even against gophers, unless they are very close.
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They do make a .410 defense gun.
Its called The Judge
Its called The Judge
I'd dare anyone to stand in front of a 410 at "in a house" range. Even 1/2 oz #9s will rip a massive hole in a human coming thru a doorway 15' away. Useful much I think so. A smaller payload is much less likely to go thru interior walls and harm an unintended bystander. Less recoil and less weight and also generally smaller frame and over all length add to portability and maneuverability in closer confines such as a bedroom. Is it as effective as a railgun or 20mm antitank round at dispatching unwanted intruders. No but when something goes bad in the night I'd bet my life that some thug wouldn't argue about the ill effects of a 410. A sound of a pump action shotgun slide in the dark is the same universal "you're f*cked" whether its a 410 or a 10ga. Just remember at close range a 22 short is all it takes to kill cattle. I'm not advocating arming oneself for home defense but if someone in my country feels the need to shoot and kill an intruder in their home I support them 100% in their actions
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.410 is the antithesis of tactical. its a handicap gun, for expert shooters - not for beginners.
there is no reason anyone on earth, unless theyre a 4' tall gnome with osteoporosis, cant handle the recoil of a 20 gauge. and if for some reason they cant, then there is 20ga managed recoil ammo, recoil absorbing stocks and limbsaver recoil pads.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob120.html
there is no reason anyone on earth, unless theyre a 4' tall gnome with osteoporosis, cant handle the recoil of a 20 gauge. and if for some reason they cant, then there is 20ga managed recoil ammo, recoil absorbing stocks and limbsaver recoil pads.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob120.html
I used to have a .410/45 colt rattlesnake gun just single shot. against pests they are good but i dont know about tactical. the thing is your not getting anymore shots then any other gauge your getting less capacity. i wouldent take any less then 20ga for tactical.
Having it sitting there waiting and actually using it are 2 entirely different things...unless they have frequent home invasions/defensive shootings. You dont see police armed with little .410 bunny guns, wonder why that is? Body armor will stop 12 ga. 00 buck, how will .410 with birdhot fair against someone say with a heavy leather or jean jacket? I wouldnt buy a .410 for any reason period, there are much better options for similar coin
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by all means use what you got - and any firearm, even a .22, is better than nothing. but if you are going out to purchase/build something unless you are an expert shot (or want to deliberately challenge yourself with a handicap) there are better choices that still maintain the full versatility and lethality of a shotgun -- like the 20ga (with managed recoil ammo if firther recoil reduction is necessary).
a 'home defense' .410 is the answer to a question nobody asked.
a 'home defense' .410 is the answer to a question nobody asked.
i wouldnt want to be shot by a marble out of a $10 Canadian Tire slingshot, but that doesnt mean id recommend them for home/wildlife defense
I own the shotgun if your talking the hiker. I bring it along on my canoe trips and during deer season for grouse.I wouldn't recommend this shotgun for anything other than a novelty thats fun to shot. The range is horrible and i can't hit jack with it :roll eyes: its also a single shot so maybe a 20 gauge pump would be better for home defence.Im looking into an alternative gun for canoeing.
This more or less sums up the point i was trying to make. No one is suggesting its a harmless shotgun to stand in front of, but for the amount of money you spend on a .410, you can get twice as much in a 12 or 20 gauge. The shells in .410 cost twice as much to shoot, and even though you pay more for the actual shotgun, it will be a tough sell to recoup any of your cash if you want to let it go, after all, most people want a 12 G.
There also exists a myth of what a .410 slug or buckshot is capable of. I've had my .410 loader set up for over 20 years and have tried every combination or slug, buckshot, birdshot and mixes of all the above. At the end of the day, these shells don't have much power. An 85 grain .410 slug has about twice the ballistic energy of a .22 bullet. Buckshot in 000 bounces off of plywood at 50 to 60 feet, and birdshot is close to a third the volume as any mag shell in 20 or 12 guage.
I like my 410 and I use it all season long for chickens and close range clays, but chickens and small game is what it is made for. There are tv shows like Sons of Guns who tend to over glorify the power and capability of this skinny shotshell. You might notice that you never see them shoot anything other than paper.
Sure you can make a tactical .410, after all they make tactical .22s and its your money. I think either of them would be similar to having a blow up doll; they are only fun until your friends find out you have one.
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i blame it all on the Taurus Judge, and movies where people shot by one are blown back 15 feet.
theres a reasonably well known Australian criminal by the name of Chopper Reid.
he shot a fellow in the face with a .410 from approx 5m .. the guy lost an eye but thats all.. ( well not all, he was in substantial pain etc etc )
but he didnt die
