410 hull's from the USA

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Do the same rule's apply for bringing shotgun hull's over the border as they do for rifle/pistol brass?
I have a chance for a bunch of 410 hull's from a friend and was wondering if the same law's applied.
You know our law's, just might,just might not.
 
zuke said:
Do the same rule's apply for bringing shotgun hull's over the border as they do for rifle/pistol brass?
I have a chance for a bunch of 410 hull's from a friend and was wondering if the same law's applied.
You know our law's, just might,just might not.
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Yep as far as I have been told. I had Prophet river bring in my last order of 3" and 3 1/2" 12ga. Still worth it since I could not find 3 1/2 here anywhere. Clays price was very reasonable:)
 
As far as i knew shotgun components don't count, and yes, you can bring them over yourself. Don't confuse individual retailer's policies/preferences with the actual law.
 
mwjones said:
As far as i knew shotgun components don't count, and yes, you can bring them over yourself. Don't confuse individual retailer's policies/preferences with the actual law.
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Have you ever taken any over??? the border. From what I have been told on the us side they are the issue canada doesn't really care within limits. Shot gun shell components are parts of ammunition are they not. Plus I think Clay would have told me not required when he imported my last two orders of hulls. For the extra cost to have Clay do it and be 100% legal it is not worth the risk to me

From the US side when asked All persons must obtain proper documentation
before importing or exporting a firearm, ammunition, or parts
for firearms and ammunition.

That is pretty clear to me.
 
mwjones said:
As far as i knew shotgun components don't count, and yes, you can bring them over yourself. Don't confuse individual retailer's policies/preferences with the actual law.
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There it is.

Print this off, and when you are tagged when approaching the border, you will be able to show this to the US authorities. It'll make their day.;)
 
I asked this question (well I asked about shotgun ammo components in general, not .410 bore in specific) of the US Dept of Commerce, by phone, on Monday. Shotgun ammunition and components are indeed controlled for export.

You cannot export them from the US without DOC export paperwork.

You can export sporting shotgun stocks, pins and minor parts and you can also export scope rings, mounts and rails for rifles, shotguns and handguns (DOC controls these parts including for rifles and handguns and shotguns) without export paperwork. Be sure to check the DOC website for the details in the EAR to confirm the parts you want to export are EAR99 category. For example, you cannot export magazine extensions but you can export the magazine cap. Go figure.

More details over here in this thread: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=748264
 
tiriaq said:
There it is.

Print this off, and when you are tagged when approaching the border, you will be able to show this to the US authorities. It'll make their day.;)
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That made my day too :) I never said i knew for sure :)

3macs1 said:
Have you ever taken any over??? the border. From what I have been told on the us side they are the issue canada doesn't really care within limits. Shot gun shell components are parts of ammunition are they not. Plus I think Clay would have told me not required when he imported my last two orders of hulls. For the extra cost to have Clay do it and be 100% legal it is not worth the risk to me

From the US side when asked All persons must obtain proper documentation
before importing or exporting a firearm, ammunition, or parts
for firearms and ammunition.

That is pretty clear to me.
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I thought I read something somewhere about shotshell hulls not being controlled like pistol/rifle brass. Guess I was wrong!! No need to take it personally :)

EDIT: FOUND IT: http://law.justia.com/cfr/title27/27-2.0.1.2.3.html

Act. 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.

Ammunition. Ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm other than an antique firearm. The term shall not include (a) any shotgun shot or pellet not designed for use as the single, complete projectile load for one shotgun hull or casing, nor (b) any unloaded, non-metallic shotgun hull or casing not having a primer.
 
From the US DOC export of firearms FAQ website at http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/exportsoffirearms.htm:

"What is the ECCN for shotgun shells and components?

Shotgun shells and components fall under ECCN 0A986. This includes primers and some types of powders. Shot would also fall under this classification."

"What is the ECCN for buckshot shells?

Buckshot shotgun shells are classified as 0A984."

"Once I know the ECCN of my item, what is the next step?

Once you have determined that your item is classified under a specific ECCN, you must use the information contained in the “Reason(s) for Control” section of that ECCN in combination with the “Commerce Country Chart” to decide whether a license is required. If there is an “X” in the box for the Reason for Control and destination country, a license is required from BIS, unless a license exception is available. If there is no “X” in the box, a license is not required unless your proposed export is to an embargoed country, to an end-user of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, in which case you may be required to obtain a license."

Shotgun shell components are treated just like loaded shotgun shell ammunition. You need export paperwork to export them from the US. Feel free to call the DOC and get your own answer. I bet it is the same as the answer they gave me.
 
I thought I read something somewhere about shotshell hulls not being controlled like pistol/rifle brass. Guess I was wrong!! No need to take it personally :)

Not sure where you thought I took it personally. Too old for that foolishness Just asking you a question that is all and sharing what I had to do to get hulls up from the US legally.take care:)
 
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Here is one to try to get your head around Fusilier
Shotgun shells and components fall under ECCN 0A986. This includes primers and some types of powders. Shot would also fall under this classification."You are 100% correct on the shot however that same shot if the end use is for use as ballast on model boats or scuba diving weights is fine to ship to canada.
All a matter of how the seller classes it on the shipping forms.
I know first hand on this one a few times. My little boats are full of no. 4 buck:cool:
 
3macs1 said:
Here is one to try to get your head around Fusilier
Shotgun shells and components fall under ECCN 0A986. This includes primers and some types of powders. Shot would also fall under this classification."You are 100% correct on the shot however that same shot if the end use is for use as ballast on model boats or scuba diving weights is fine to ship to canada.
All a matter of how the seller classes it on the shipping forms.
I know first hand on this one a few times. My little boats are full of no. 4 buck:cool:
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Like I've said, the US bureaucracy is a beauty to behold. It's amazing how they can screw up the simplest of things. Canada's not far behind is it?

In summary, be careful out there. :)
 
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