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Just bought one, never used one before. I would appreciate some input. On the round that is, not on buying what I know little about. I know it is a tad silly and impulsive.
It comes with that M 03 African that i fell in love with. The African also has a 300 win mag and I want to buy a 375 H&H barrel for it as well. I did not untill this afternoon, own a African Gun. So that was reason enough.
The largest caliber i have now is a 340 wby, so i wanted a big bore but not nessasarily a weatherby. What are peoples favorite big bores, I will be going to Africa in the next 5 years or so. I know, or am of the opinion, nothing in N.A. really requires a big bore. Please any input would be great.
I also got a spring grizzly draw and i understand from some alaskan sites that the 416 rem is a great round for the big bears. So the real question, Spring Grizz with a 340 or a 416 rem, Your thoughts Please!
 
Spring griz? Dude, you have to use that 416! I just saw that gun on the EE, sweet buy. If I had the money and wasn't a south paw, I would have been all over that thing. Congratulations. The 416 rem is a great round, ballistically identical to the Rigby but you (okay "I", since after seeing the price on that sucker, the thought of spending $160 for a box of Rigby shells probably wouldn't make your butt pucker like it does to me) could actually afford to buy factory ammo and components for it.

Let us know how it shoots.

Ian
 
Ive owned a 416 Rem, it is an impressive cartridge without any doubt. 400 grain bullet at 2400 fps, 5000+ ft-lbs of muzzle energy, all with only 76-84 grains of powder. Shoots flatter than a 458, and hits harder than a 375. Downfall is pretty good recoil, and cost of shooting. I killed a moose, a deer, and a coyote with mine. The 350 grain Speer MagTip is the least expensive slug to use, and performs excellent. Punched through the moose's offside shoulder and kept on sailing.

I will probably own another someday...:popCorn:
 
Thanks for the feedback boys. Im not to recoil sensitive. I always think it will hurt them more than it will me. Cost of the game I guess. I do not reload yet but i know it will make shooting more cost effective. I am hoping to use the 416 on the Grizz. But I have to say ounce I see it I may not want to take it out on a rainy day. Nah, I use all my stuff. I tell my wife they are heirlooms for my two boys.

Thanks Again
 
I bought a 416 last January. Like others have said it does bark a bit. But is manageable, with practice.

I started using factory loads, until I was able to get the components together for reloading.

That said the cheapest price for factory rounds were the Remington loads with the 400 gr swift A frames. At wholesale I was paying $85.00 a box. The only other choice I had was the Federal Premium with the 400 gr. Trophy bonded Bear Claws. But they were $110 - 120 a box.

On some informal trials shooting both loads, I found the performance of the SAF was better than the TBBC. The SAF had a better bullet performance and less bullet deformation than the TBBC. But I was only trying the bullets under the worst case senario. Shooting cows at 10 yards or less with the maximum bullet to bone contact.

I have also tried a few rounds of the SAF on a couple whitetail deer, But I was unable to recover any bullets from that trial. Broad side did not stop the bullets and they were pass through on both deer.

I would say either bullet would work for grizzly. Just sight in for 2-3" high at 100 yards and you should be good out to 250 to 300 with out too much trouble. But I can't remember exactly how much drop I was getting when sighted in like I mentioned.

Let us know how the rifle shoots once you get it.


Graylake
 
Thanks a bunch. I have been wanting to buy reloading gear and it sounds like the 416 will be reason enough, not to mention my 4 weatherby calibers .257 7mm 300 and 340. I'll let everyone know what she shoots like when i get her. Sent the check yesterday so should be a little while still.
i have to admit i'm excited at the idea of hitting a big boar in the shoulders with it.

Gus
 
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The .416 Rem. is really an awsome round and not too big for N/A game at all. Its ideal for Moose and Elk. With lighter bullets ( 300-350 gr. ) it shoots like a 30-06, all the reach you can use. If you're after Bears load up some 400 gr., you've still got a 200 yd gun and super killing power. I hate to say this but it kicks the crap out of the 375 in all catagories except recoil. I have a .375 as well so I'm not just bashing something I don't like. I've only used it on one Elk though I've carried one on many hunts. Broke both shoulders and dropped it on the spot. About perfect.:)
 
You are a lucky dog I was trying to round up the cash for that rig as I have been wanting one for awhile now as I think that is the perfect combo for everthing on earth . As for the 416 I load 350 gr tsx & solids with RL15 apparently Randy brooks has shot boatloads of Buffalo& elephant with the 350 Good Luck Tony
 
I've used a .416 Rem on a lot of game including a few big moose. It works great with excellent penetration. I have tried a few bullets but settled on the 350 Speer Mag Tip. I have also used the .416 Rigby and Taylor, the Rem mag is probably the most practical though the Rigby is my pick. I hit one big moose in the center of the chest and the 350 grain bullet stopped right at the hide over the rump. Great performance and it stops the critters quickly.
I think the recoil is over estimated as well. It's easily controlable with some practice in a rifle of 9lbs. or better. I had a very lightweight Win70 custom in .416 Rem that Grit had Ron Propp build and the recoil was never a big problem, others shot this rifle without being overly bothered by it too.
All of the .416s are rounds you will want to reload for. The factory ammo is too expensive but reloads don't cost much more than any other caliber to shoot.
In the two .416 Rems I have owned, RL 15 was the absolute best powder. PM me and I will give you the details of those loads.
I think you have a great gun, it will do about anything. Flat trajectory and good hitting power. Enjoy it and shoot lots, the practice is important with heavy rifles like this.
 
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I think Casull is right on with the 350gr speer,It is a great bullet and not overly expensive. They are just about perfect @ 2600-2650.
 
According to Chuck Hawks ...

The .416 Rigby and .416 Remington Magnum

By Chuck Hawks

In 1911 the British Rigby company introduced the first .416 caliber cartridge, and a bolt action rifle to shoot it based on the magnum Mauser action. Until fairly recently .416 cartridges were largely confined to Africa, where they were used primarily on dangerous thick-skinned game.

.416 Rigby

North American shooters became interested in the .416 Rigby, inspired by the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor, who pioneered modern reloads for the caliber. A-Square, Ruger and Federal Cartridge stepped up to the plate to provide rifles and cartridges and the .416 Rigby was revived.

Federal Cartridge Company loads 4 different 400 grain bullets in the .416 Rigby case. All of them have a MV of 2,370 fps and a ME of 5,115 ft. lbs. At 100 yards the solid bullet is traveling at 2,110 fps and has 4,050 ft. lbs. of energy.

Here are some .416 Rigby specifications of interest to the reloader: bullet diameter .416", maximum COL 3.750", maximum case length 2.900", trim to 2.890".

According to the A-Square Handloading Manual Any Shot You Want loads similar in performance to those O'Connor developed can be achived by the modern reloader using H4831 powder and 400 grain A-Square bullets. 97.0 grains of H4831 gives a MV of 2328 fps, and 101.0 grains of the same powder gives a MV of 2448 fps. The latter load had a maximum average pressure of 47,000 psi. These loads used A-Square brass and CCI-250 primers, and were developed in a 26" test barrel.

.416 Remington Magnum

Remington became interested in a .416 cartridge with a standard magnum rim diameter that could equal the performance of the outsized .416 Rigby for use in their Model 700 rifle. The .416 Remington Magnum was the result.

Because it is based on a smaller case than the .416 Rigby, the .416 Remington has to operate at higher pressure to deliver the same performance. This high pressure has caused trouble in the severe heat often encountered in Africa. For this reason it is probably wise to load to lower pressure if an African safari is planned with a .416 Rem. Mag. rifle. Maximum loads should be reserved for use in cool climates.

A-Square offers three factory loads for the .416 Rem. Mag., while Federal and Remington each offer one factory load. The latter uses a Swift A-Frame PSP bullet at a MV of 2,400 fps and a ME of 5,115 ft. lbs. The 100 yard figures are 2,175 fps and 4,201 ft. lbs.

Here are some .416 Remington Magnum specifications of interest to reloaders: bullet diameter .416", maxmum COL 3.600", maximum case length 2.850", trim to 2.840".

Any Shot You Want shows that 72.0 grains of H4895 powder can drive a 400 grain A-Square bullet to a MV of 2251 fps, and 76.0 grains of H4895 can drive the same bullet to a MV of 2403 fps. The MAP of the latter load was 56,600 psi. These loads used A-Square brass and CCI-250 primers, and were tested in a 26" barrel.
 
I used to be a member of the ChuckHawks site. I had to give it up, I was buying too many rifles in all the great calibers i read about. I miss not having access to the member site for his "killing power charts" and the "maximum point blank range" and the all important "recoil table".
 
My father has a new M 03, in 375 H&H, and 300 Weatherby. He is a Lefty so I have not shot it much. Overall, it seems like a great rifle- Good luck with your new toy.
 
I shot my 50" bull moose last fall with the .416RM and a 400gr Hornady RN IL at ~200 yards.

I completely agree with anybody that says the .416's are awesome calibers and with CASULL that recoil is overstated. Once you pull down on a 7 1/2' grizzly you will never notice it, believe me. After shooting my bull moose it was no different than if I had used a .30-06. You just do not notice the recoil.
 
Sounds like your ready for bear. if you are going to Africa, and you are reloading your own ammo. think about temp. sensitive powders. What you should probably do is spend that extra money on factory loaded ammo for that hunt. that way you will not have to take the lord's name in vain when your dream trip goes bad. just my two bits
 
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