45-70 Conversions

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Would it practical (or even possible) to convert a Martini-Henry or Snider-Enfield to 45-70?:confused:
Any input or thoughts would be appreciated.

Cheers:cheers:
Allan

Moderators, if this should be in a different forum (blackpowder???), please accept my apologies.
 
I have seen large framed long lever models in 45-70...
I talked to my local Gunsmith, He advises it is do-able without a lot of problems.

I am about to start a conversion (waiting for barrel), on my Martini-Metford Artil. Carb.
which has the long lever. It has the very poor Metford rifling in 303 British cal. that was meant for Black Powder.
 
Have a brass sleeve made. Mind you, the bullet diameters are different. Cartridge dimensions for the .45-70(.458" bullet) and .577-450(.455" bullet) are here. http://stevespages.com/page8d.htm
I think the Snider may be too short.
I have a .pdf How-to for turning .577-450 cases out of 3/4" brass bar stock if you want it. Probably make a decent chamber sleeve too. toheir@hotmail.com
 
if the snider turns out to be too short for 45-70

you could go 450 marlin identical ballistics and hornady loads lever evolution rounds in this cartridge
 
I did it on a martini-henry action.
Install a .458 barrel, replace the extractor (or modified it ). I put a completly new stock and forearm on it plus new sights.

My action was already in 303 British so It could support at least 45,000 psi of pressure that put it around the marlin load in reloading manuals. But to be sure start low and work your way up slowly.

If I were to do it again I would leave it in 303 British and go for a light stalking rifle (scotish or brit. style).
 
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Converting a Martini-Henry will require, just for a start, a new barrel and a new extractor. These days, that's about 400 bucks' worth of conversion, plus a refinishing job..... and you end up with a destroyed antique.

It would make more sense to spend about half of that money and pick up a box of brass, a set of dies from Lee Factory Sales and a Lee .459-405 hollowbase bullet-mould. The slug is a bit light, but the mould is only about 25 bucks and the rifle likes the slug most of the time.

Forty-five-seventy might be a famous American cartridge, but a point to remember: the Martini-Henry was the most powerful black-powder single-shot military rifle in the world. Rather than just a .45-70-350 (Carbine load) or a .45-70-405 (rifle load), the Martini was an honest-to-Gawd .45-85-480..... although absolute utter wimps such as myself definitely download it. The expression "kick like a Martini" is MUCH older than the drink!

As to converting a SNIDER....... Why? Better to get some dies (Lee) and a bunch of 24-gauge shotgun brass (Magtech out of Brazil; Cabela's is the importer) and a .578 Minie mould (Lee again) and go have fun. MUCH cheaper..... and the rest of us don't have to duck. I am not at all sure about running anything in a Snider action other than .577 Service-spec ammunition..... or something with an even lighter loading. Remember, most Sniders had soft IRON actions: only the Mark III had STEEL at all!!!!! I do NOT want to be on a range if a Snider is shooting anything except .577 or .297/.230 Morris. I most emphatically recommend AGAINST this conversion.

Besides, original Sniders are now 150 years old or very darned close to it. They deserve a little respect; after all, they were the FIRST.
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Converting a Martini-Henry will require, just for a start, a new barrel and a new extractor. These days, that's about 400 bucks' worth of conversion, plus a refinishing job..... and you end up with a destroyed antique.

It would make more sense to spend about half of that money and pick up a box of brass, a set of dies from Lee Factory Sales and a Lee .459-405 hollowbase bullet-mould. The slug is a bit light, but the mould is only about 25 bucks and the rifle likes the slug most of the time.

Forty-five-seventy might be a famous American cartridge, but a point to remember: the Martini-Henry was the most powerful black-powder single-shot military rifle in the world. Rather than just a .45-70-350 (Carbine load) or a .45-70-405 (rifle load), the Martini was an honest-to-Gawd .45-85-480..... although absolute utter wimps such as myself definitely download it. The expression "kick like a Martini" is MUCH older than the drink!

As to converting a SNIDER....... Why? Better to get some dies (Lee) and a bunch of 24-gauge shotgun brass (Magtech out of Brazil; Cabela's is the importer) and a .578 Minie mould (Lee again) and go have fun. MUCH cheaper..... and the rest of us don't have to duck. I am not at all sure about running anything in a Snider action other than .577 Service-spec ammunition..... or something with an even lighter loading. Remember, most Sniders had soft IRON actions: only the Mark III had STEEL at all!!!!! I do NOT want to be on a range if a Snider is shooting anything except .577 or .297/.230 Morris. I most emphatically recommend AGAINST this conversion.

Besides, original Sniders are now 150 years old or very darned close to it. They deserve a little respect; after all, they were the FIRST.
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+1 Let's stop the destruction of old Military rifles..on the other hand if they blow up that's one more bubba who won't be 'improving' an old antique for a while!
 
The are differences between taking parts and making a gun and taking a complete antique rifle and go bubba on it.

Why must somebody always take a discussion and bring it to extreme tragedy and makes a morale issue of it.

You can take a martini-henry action and give it a second life without being;
a) Bubba
b) a communist
c) an atheist
d) a fudd
e) all of the above

GWAAD sometimes!...
 
Retort

+1 Let's stop the destruction of old Military rifles..on the other hand if they blow up that's one more bubba who won't be 'improving' an old antique for a while!

Allow me to retort:

1) For serving in the CF, thank you for your service-I'm former 3RCR

2) I wasn't planning on destroying any old military rifles. I have a Martini-Henry action and a Snider-Enfield action and was thinking about building 45-70 rifles around them as the ammo is much more common than 577 Snider or 577/450

3) I own both a shootable Martini-Henry and a Snider-great fun shooting them too:D

4) I do not bubba old miltary rifles-however I can be classified as a bubba myself-LOL

Cheers Everybody:cheers:
Allan
 
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