If your looking for a "one size fits all" crimp for the 45-70 a very heavy crimp is what you want...will work best on light "plinker" loads and won't hurt a "thumper" load or for a SS rifle use . For "thumper" high pressure loads in a lever gun a bit of crimp is still needed to hold the boolits in place in the mag as well as give all that powder a chance to start it's work (altho this isn't as important as it is in a light load) . Heavy loads in a SS buffalo rifles can get away without any crimp but I still used the same heavy crimp I use in my lever guns just because that's where the die is set and I see no detriment to using them that way.