Has anyone seen the 45 ACP +P load listed in handloads.com that has a 200 grain bullet being pushed at 1175 FPS The powder charge is 12 grains of HS-6. Would anyone here ever load to this velocity, or think that it is safe. It does not list the load pressure. Would a glock or 1911 be able to withstand this load? This is listed as a guest's load.
45 ACP load listed in handloads.com
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Keep in mind that the loads there are submitted by folks out in web land. No one at handloads.com checks them. So I don't doubt that a few of them are put in by those that are either out to cause mischief or that play on the ragged edge of disaster. i've looked up loads from that site as well when I want to see if I can use a specific powder for which I can't find other listings. But I also check other loads with similar characteristics that DO use the powder I want to use to see if the load makes sense. And this one certainly does not make sense.
In fact my spidey senses, and my Lyman's 49th Edition, tell me that 1175 is way over the top. Lyman's lists a max of 9.5gns of HS-6 and a velocity of 912 fps for a 200gn cast. And for a 200gn jacketed the max load is 9.0gns. And of course there is no way to tell what the peak pressure of such a load would be since it's so far above anything listed in a proper manual. So I would avoid using that much power as the guns will not be set up for the extra energy.
At one point there was a move to a stronger form of .45ACP. I don't recall what it was called. But the more powerful round was shot from stock guns which were set up to handle the extra energy by picking the proper recoil spring, likely used buffers as well and in some cases likely used a barrel with stronger metal to handle the pressure. But that 12gn load is so far over what the manuals list that it would be foolish to use them in a stock .45ACP pistol IMO.
In fact my spidey senses, and my Lyman's 49th Edition, tell me that 1175 is way over the top. Lyman's lists a max of 9.5gns of HS-6 and a velocity of 912 fps for a 200gn cast. And for a 200gn jacketed the max load is 9.0gns. And of course there is no way to tell what the peak pressure of such a load would be since it's so far above anything listed in a proper manual. So I would avoid using that much power as the guns will not be set up for the extra energy.
At one point there was a move to a stronger form of .45ACP. I don't recall what it was called. But the more powerful round was shot from stock guns which were set up to handle the extra energy by picking the proper recoil spring, likely used buffers as well and in some cases likely used a barrel with stronger metal to handle the pressure. But that 12gn load is so far over what the manuals list that it would be foolish to use them in a stock .45ACP pistol IMO.
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There is a round called the 45 ACP+, which is rated below the 45 Super, which is rated below the 45 Rowland, which is rated at/below the 45-08 (45 ACP brass formed from 308 cases) as far as pressures, and thus velocities. I've seen some sources rating a 260gr slug at 1200 fps, perfect for backwoods protection.
All use 45 ACP external case dimensions, just the inside dimensions are different, thicker web, smaller primer pocket, etc. to allow higher pressure loads.
Usually the only change to the gun required, as long as the steel of the firearm is rated for it, is stronger recoil spring and something called a shock-buffer.
Funnily enough, south of the border, Norinco frames and barrels are among a select few with steel quality rated for these upgrades.
Of course all of this info is from the internet; multiple sources but still, the internet
There's an old thread on here somewhere about turning a norinco double stack 45 into the 45-08, and how to form the brass.
All use 45 ACP external case dimensions, just the inside dimensions are different, thicker web, smaller primer pocket, etc. to allow higher pressure loads.
Usually the only change to the gun required, as long as the steel of the firearm is rated for it, is stronger recoil spring and something called a shock-buffer.
Funnily enough, south of the border, Norinco frames and barrels are among a select few with steel quality rated for these upgrades.
Of course all of this info is from the internet; multiple sources but still, the internet
There's an old thread on here somewhere about turning a norinco double stack 45 into the 45-08, and how to form the brass.
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https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...919-Hand-Cannon-NP-30BD-45-08?highlight=45-08
If you need to ask why someone would want the power of a 44 mag in a semi auto...
If you need to ask why someone would want the power of a 44 mag in a semi auto...
Maybe if you want to go through the effort of machining .308 cases down to .45 length and use a 24 pound spring. As an old time precision bullseye shooter, if I want that power level I reach for my .303 carbine, or even the .375 H&H - now that IS powerful enough!
Dr Jim
Dr Jim
I've loaded .45acp+p 200gr-ers with power pistol. This was a posted load at one time on Alliant powders website. Totally going form memory on the charge but I believe it was 8-8.2 grains. That load in a 1911 felt angry lol
The cartridge some here are referring to is the 45-08 Wildcat. It can be shot in standard barrels with a 22# recoil spring. You need to use .308 cases cut to .898 and then reamed out to .452 to accommodate the bullet. Gunnar in Pr. George worked up loads for the cartridge using LSWC. Cartridge was used in Para LDA's by guides for bear protection. It is reported to have worked. Cartridge stats are similar to the 45 Super and Rowland.
Recoil is similar to factory .357mag rounds. I use a stock Norinco as my bush gun with a 22# recoil spring, no buffer.
The barrels will take the pressure of the loadings. Regular 45acp cases won't, so if you do get hold of some loadings DON'T load them in 45acp cases or you will be picking brass out of your teeth.
Take Care
Bob
Recoil is similar to factory .357mag rounds. I use a stock Norinco as my bush gun with a 22# recoil spring, no buffer.
The barrels will take the pressure of the loadings. Regular 45acp cases won't, so if you do get hold of some loadings DON'T load them in 45acp cases or you will be picking brass out of your teeth.
Take Care
Bob
I like fast too, but of course I don't want to shorten the lifespan of my firearms to obtain maximum speed.
45-08 is one of those cartridges you work up a load for, shoot a few for testing and/or zeroing sights and then keep the rest of the ammo separate from your regular ammo. You load up a couple of magazines of it when you take your handgun out for bear protection, accompanied by your Wilderness ATC.
it's not something you shoot while plinking, for lots of different reasons!
