.458 Socom marked mag?

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What is needed to make .458 socom mag? Is it just about the markings? If I were to find some down south or elsewhere could they be imported without a license? Do they have to be mass produced ?

Just to be clear : If you would buy a bunch of normal mags, have them marked in another country then imported would it work? is there a special approval requirement?

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Back in 09' CanAmmo was set to bring in 10/30 LAR stamped mags, but something happened to kill that. Don't forget the rules stat something along the lines of "originally manufacture for" so unless you could show they somehow differ from a standard 30 round mag other than the stamp. Plus the whole issue of no one selling much .458 socom (rifle or pistol) in Canada, its doubtful your going to get far... But please do try, and I will be happy to pay 60$ a pop :D
 
The followers are different on the .458 SOCOM mags, so if the follower was permanently trapped in the mag body (since a .223 round won't grab the feed lips, it'll just fall out) you might be able to get a 5-round 458 SOCOM mag.

Possibly a double rivet in the front and back so you can't twist the follower for it to come out.

Keep in mind, the USA doesn't let major gun parts (or even minor ones) out without a valid export permit, so you would have to find a company in the USA able to do so. Then the mag has to be limited OUTSIDE Canada, even Questar or Wolverine cannot bring a magazine in - pin it - then sell to civilians, it HAS to be MIL/LEO only.
 
They are just a standard issue GI mag with no mods originally,That was the big selling point when they were trying to flog this caliber to the US military. Only in the recent past(12months) has there been a dedicated .458 follower and mag markings.
I tried to go this route about 8 months ago and no success.
There is currently,to the best of my knowledge no pistol version avail.
The math works like this
9 rounds in standard(30rd) GI mag with 5.56 follower(no insertion on closed bolt)
10rds no prob on open bolt
dedicated .458 follower allows 10rds on closed bolt.
a Standard GI mag pinned to 15rds would allow you 5rds of .458
There may be newer versions avail now that I am unaware of but last I heard 7rd was the smallest version avail.
 
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Does the CFC view a 7.5" upper on an ar15 lower with a pistol buffer tube (no butt stock) as a pistol? Since the firearm is clearly designed to be fire one handed in that case. Can't for the life of me see why no one has taken that route yet.
 
Some one on arfcom actually tested the dedicated .458Socom followers and supposedly (I have not personally tried it) they will actually allow .223 to stay put in the mag. Since the follower is rounded upwards (like a .458 round) the .223 rounds move to the outside and get caught by the feed lips.

These are the two remaining hiccups.

1) You need to have a .458 Socom pistol that is commonly available. As far as I know, no one makes one on either side of the border. So if A canadian manufacturer could get on that, that would be super

2) The mag bodies need to not be standard 30-round mag bodies. So the magazine company has to have specific tooling to make the body and I gather slightly different than a regular 30 rounder.
 
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2) The mag bodies need to not be standard 30-round mag bodies. So the magazine company has to have specific tooling to make the body and I gather slightly different than a regular 30 rounder.
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If only we had some sort of Epicly awesome manufacturer who could make some Polymer .458 Socom mags!

If only :evil:
 
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Some one on arfcom actually tested the dedicated .458Socom followers and supposedly (I have not personally tried it) they will actually allow .223 to stay put in the mag. Since the follower is rounded upwards (like a .458 round) the .223 rounds move to the outside and get caught by the feed lips.

These are the two remaining hiccups.

1) You need to have a .458 Socom pistol that is commonly available. As far as I know, no one makes one on either side of the border. So if A canadian manufacturer could get on that, that would be super

2) The mag bodies need to not be standard 30-round mag bodies. So the magazine company has to have specific tooling to make the body and I gather slightly different than a regular 30 rounder.
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Okay, so first : Does the pistol have to be sold in a specific number or just to be available? I.E. : If a manifacturer would produce a prototype a .458 pistol and sell one, but to ''still have more for sale'' ( having the tooling and drawings to produce them without mass produciing them and running bankrupt).
 
I would imagine that you would need to sell enough of them to be considered commonly available as opposed to a custom order gun. But I don't know.......I don't know how common or available the RRA Lar pistol is.

As far as the upper/lower. I think the safe bet would be to have a lower that uses a pistol receiver extension, bolt, and buffer, like the Carbon 15 has. If you used a standard carbine tube, it would be easier to argue it was a carbine. Likewise, it would be better to have a shorter barrel on the upper, but maybe not a deal breaker.
 
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Brass is hard-ish to come by. There are very few commercial ammunition manufacturers who load it. And there isn't that much of a demand for the gun.

The best idea would be to sell the gun as a loss leader and make your money on the mags which you would sell by the boat load. However, someone else could make a similar magazine and then cut into your profits.
 
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