Can some one give me some info on this cartridge? I believe it is one of Hornady's new offerings but?? Is it an existing cartridge necked up or necked down? I first thought it was a modification for the AR platform but I see Ruger chambers the cartridge in their Model 77 Target rifle with a long barrel. Thanks for any info.
6.5 Creedmore?
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I was looking into a 6.5 Creedmoor a couple of years ago, and did quite a bit of research into them. I ended up going with a 260 Remington. They have almost identical ballistics and the 260 is a much more popular breed to get brass for. Saying that I formed my brass out of .243 Lapua brass. I was looking for an accurate long range whitetail setup, that I would occasionally shoot at the range. The primary usage was and will be hunting. I went with a Sako 85 Hunter, and have been extremely happy with the performance of it. I think the benefits of the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 260 Remington in my opinion would only be revealed in a true target setup, where shooting groups at 600 yards was common. From what I have read, the 6.5 Creedmoor brass can be formed from 308 brass also. There is a few steps involved including neck turning and trimming, but that can/should also be done when forming .260 brass from .243 as I did.
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The creedmore is really a necked up and improved 22/250 case. Similar cartridges existed as early as the 70's for use in handgun silhouette shooting. IMSHA was a family of cartridges that are within spitting distance of the same shape.,
The main purpose of this cartridge is to get tangible speeds out of the heavy 6.5 VLD bullets and still cycle through the standard 308 mag.
Most mags are short 2.8" or less. This limits seating VLD's in a 260Rem and keep the boattail out of the case volume. The 260 works best with a 2.9 to 3" OAL.
The shorter Creedmore allows the bullets to be seated properly and stay within that 2.8" length. To match the performance of the larger cousin, the pressures are elevated to magnum pressures.
Basically, the creedmore does at high pressures what the 260R does at standard pressures. Ramp up the 260R to the same pressures and you gain about 100fps.
And by the way, the 260R works just fine with the bullets seated 'deep' despite the horror of creating donuts. But is another story.
So the Creedmore is a nice design to fit a particular niche need. It is no more accurate then the many options from the 6.5X47L through to the 6.5 Swede improved. All you are doing is finding a balance of fit and performance.
I think response has been positive as it was promoted properly from the beginning as a factory target rd. Brass is near impossible to get so must think factory ammo is selling briskly. The Americans do like shooting factory ammo.
The voodoo to load for the cartridge was spelled out on the side of each box so handloaders didn't have to fret what to use. Sounds good at first until you realise most competitive shooters are by nature, very experienced reloaders so this info is more marketing then useful.
If you are shooting F class, the cartridge is on the small side and unless you really want to have it, there are much better performing options.
The only area where I can see it gaining any popularity is in US High power and tactical matches where the length of the mag is the limiting factor in the design of cartridge and rifle.
Except for those shooting Savages, Tikkas, the mags are simply too short to be interesting.
For hunters, they will realise what a wonderful and effective cal the 6.5 is. Ironically, they will discover what the Scandinavians have known for over a century and what they should have learnt from the 260Rem a couple of decades back.
Jerry
The main purpose of this cartridge is to get tangible speeds out of the heavy 6.5 VLD bullets and still cycle through the standard 308 mag.
Most mags are short 2.8" or less. This limits seating VLD's in a 260Rem and keep the boattail out of the case volume. The 260 works best with a 2.9 to 3" OAL.
The shorter Creedmore allows the bullets to be seated properly and stay within that 2.8" length. To match the performance of the larger cousin, the pressures are elevated to magnum pressures.
Basically, the creedmore does at high pressures what the 260R does at standard pressures. Ramp up the 260R to the same pressures and you gain about 100fps.
And by the way, the 260R works just fine with the bullets seated 'deep' despite the horror of creating donuts. But is another story.
So the Creedmore is a nice design to fit a particular niche need. It is no more accurate then the many options from the 6.5X47L through to the 6.5 Swede improved. All you are doing is finding a balance of fit and performance.
I think response has been positive as it was promoted properly from the beginning as a factory target rd. Brass is near impossible to get so must think factory ammo is selling briskly. The Americans do like shooting factory ammo.
The voodoo to load for the cartridge was spelled out on the side of each box so handloaders didn't have to fret what to use. Sounds good at first until you realise most competitive shooters are by nature, very experienced reloaders so this info is more marketing then useful.
If you are shooting F class, the cartridge is on the small side and unless you really want to have it, there are much better performing options.
The only area where I can see it gaining any popularity is in US High power and tactical matches where the length of the mag is the limiting factor in the design of cartridge and rifle.
Except for those shooting Savages, Tikkas, the mags are simply too short to be interesting.
For hunters, they will realise what a wonderful and effective cal the 6.5 is. Ironically, they will discover what the Scandinavians have known for over a century and what they should have learnt from the 260Rem a couple of decades back.
Jerry
+1
My 260 is a Sako 85 Hunter, and the longest OAL load I can fit in my clip is 2.900", and I am certain that the accuracy (not that its bad now) would improve is I loaded the OAL longer and loaded the gun singles.
Mystic Precision
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Which is exactly whey the Creedmore is having success - factory ammo is pretty darn good or at least good vs your generic kill deer load.
compared to true match handloads, it is still mediocre. Again, it is relative to the tasks. Targets in high power are also big so the accuracy fits in well with the objectives.
Fire306, the only improvement that might happen with single shot is if you have a long throat and the bullet prefers to be closer to the lands. meaure the throat before deciding what you need.
In my rifles, I want the throat to be in the right place AT the correct OAL that fits in my mag. Now I get accuracy AND mag feeding.
A matter of balancing the specs...
Jerry
compared to true match handloads, it is still mediocre. Again, it is relative to the tasks. Targets in high power are also big so the accuracy fits in well with the objectives.
Fire306, the only improvement that might happen with single shot is if you have a long throat and the bullet prefers to be closer to the lands. meaure the throat before deciding what you need.
In my rifles, I want the throat to be in the right place AT the correct OAL that fits in my mag. Now I get accuracy AND mag feeding.
A matter of balancing the specs...
Jerry
