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thinking about a 6.5mm rifle.
basicly for 1km shooting. i will not shoot further than that.
the thing is, i want to kill at that range. not a mamooth but at least a deer.
and. . . .NOT a barrelburner.

my first strategy was to make those bullets fly like a rocket. at least 3700-3800 fps, best bet i tough was around 4000fps.
4000fps 6.5mm seems to do not exist, and i have bad feelings about the lifetime of the barrel.
someone have ever tried something like that ?

what is your best bet ?
am i wrong with the 6.5 for long range hunting ?
 
itir_du12 said:
thinking about a 6.5mm rifle.
basicly for 1km shooting. i will not shoot further than that.
the thing is, i want to kill at that range. not a mamooth but at least a deer.
and. . . .NOT a barrelburner.

my first strategy was to make those bullets fly like a rocket. at least 3700-3800 fps, best bet i tough was around 4000fps.
4000fps 6.5mm seems to do not exist, and i have bad feelings about the lifetime of the barrel.
someone have ever tried something like that ?

what is your best bet ?
am i wrong with the 6.5 for long range hunting ?
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6.5 will do it, but "not a barrel burner"? Tough one , I think you would be better served going up to a 7 mag or a 30 something.
6.5WSM is a fine long range round , but when I pumped it up for that , it went pretty fast as far as some are concerned.
I'm not that concerned with burning out barrels on a match rifle or a hunting rig however, so it didn't bother e.
What are you parameters as far as barrel life goes?
Cat
 
Personally I feel if you want it for hunting , and to have enough velocity to utilize a hunting bullet and not burn out a barrel , the most practical would be at least something in the 30cal area, 338 would probably be better, there is a few chamberings 338 Lapua, Edge, etc......... that you could get modest velocities out of the muzzle and still retain velocity to properly expand a bullet at that range. a 6.5mm bullet I imagine would expand very little if at all at 1K.
 
4000fps??? Ummmm, K, hmmmm, ah, uhhhhh



Sorry, my brain just broke a bit there...



A 6.5 RUM wildcat will do that with a 100 gr bullet... A good 140 gr goes at about 3450. Either way, barrel life will be 500 rnds or less...
 
Assuming you are using a very high BC hunting bullet such as the 140 Berger Hunting VLD, and assuming it can get up to 2900MV, your maximum optimal game weight will be only about 120 pounds That is a tiny deer. That is the maximum velocity you will achieve with a non-magnum 6.5 in a hunting-length barrel

Without getting into the ethics of trying to humanely kill at those distances, I think it would be a waste of time using a 6.5mm

a 7RM with a tight twist, or any of the heavy 30's, but you have to master long range shooting to score a humane kill, and to be honest... if you have to ask, well...
 
Take a look at the Savage Long Range Hunter in 6.5x284 Norma. I suspect that you will need to do quite a bit of reading, reloading and shooting. Don't forget the appropriate mounts and a scope that will provide the performance you need at that range.
 
I would say to do it and not have a barrel burner you should step up to the 338 class. You can get bullets that have been used on game with very high BC's (300gr matchking and hybrid) push them a reasonable velocity and still get a decent (well better than 500rounds..) barrel life. I don't know if there is a bullet readily available that has a bc much higher than either one of the above bullets. With a RUM or a lapua you would be looking at 2000ish ft-ibs at 1000 (your mileage may vary with your local conditions) with the berger hybrid.

Of course there are some downsides to a bigger rifle, cost and recoil mainly. But if on game performance way out there is what you want there is no free lunch.

Best of the West seems to pump the 6.5-284 and the 7mm rem mag with Berger hunting VLD's so they must work, they do on tv anyway..
 
Gotta make an addition here and I think others will agree.

If you plan on making deer kills at 1Km you best be able to hit a paper plate 99 times out of 100 at the range you plan on shooting , or stick to paper targets.

Your prowess as a hunter in my opinion is not how far you can kill something, rather how close you can get to it in order to harvest it.

Do you currently hunt or are a target shooter?
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Gotta make an addition here and I think others will agree.

If you plan on making deer kills at 1Km you best be able to hit a paper plate 99 times out of 100 at the range you plan on shooting , or stick to paper targets.

Your prowess as a hunter in my opinion is not how far you can kill something, rather how close you can get to it in order to harvest it.

Do you currently hunt or are a target shooter?
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Bringing ethics or hunting opinions into this thread is wrong IMO, because the question was asked about certain cartridges, not whether or not the OP could use them or not.
What one person thinks is "ethical" in one province or state is often frowned upon on another, and the should be discussed in a completely different thread.

Cat
 
basicly for shooting maybe 300-500 rnds/year since i already ahve that 308 to shoot around 500-600m.
its the rifle i'll take out once in a while to have fun but it will probably not shoot a lot, thats why i dont care of the price.
it MAY kill 1-2 deers a year but. . . .since i already have the 308 and a coumpown bow. . . . . .not too sure i'll hunt with it. i just want to have enough power, just in case.
 
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itir_du12 said:
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the thing is, i want to kill at that range. not a mamooth but at least a deer. ................
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If it said I want to get into long range hunting and am looking for suggestions to properly take deer at 1Km, then okay.

It is a precision rifle forum where someone states they want to kill deer at long range. The OP left it open for our opinions and was asking for our suggestions.

If there is hunting involved in a post, I will push the ethics thing due to the fact that this is lacking alot in our society today.If some don't agree, I can live with that. I can respect that people have varying opinions and also I expect that they respect others. ;)

Maybe a post in the hunting forum would have been also good.

Have a good day! :D
 
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oh, i dont have problem with anybody bringing the ethic part, the thing is, i'm posting there because the primary reason is shooting.
now if you feel good with yourself enough with that ethic question, do you have any suggestions for a 6.5 x something that could be interesting ?
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
If it said I want to get into long range hunting and am looking for suggestions to properly take deer at 1Km, then okay.

It is a precision rifle forum where someone states they want to kill deer at long range. The OP left it open for our opinions and was asking for our suggestions.

If there is hunting involved in a post, I will push the ethics thing due to the fact that this is lacking alot in our society today.If some don't agree, I can live with that. I can respect that people have varying opinions and also I expect that they respect others. ;)

Maybe a post in the hunting forum would have been also good.

Have a good day! :D
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Kelly..

lay off the ethics.

I would shoot a 7mm Rem Mag, 168 Bergers, Retumbo powder, Win Brass, some 215M primers..
 
Well, as for 6.5's , did you check ballistics on the 6.5-06 ?? I'd still be inclined to go with some 30cal , just because you stated you wanted to keep some barrel life. A 6.5 will be cruising to get that bullet to work on game at that range, can't see it doing so well for barrel life.

Just don't know about it having th oommmppphhh at that range as I haven't even heard of any results using one for hunting at that range. Typically it is in the .338 category that folks have been using on game out in the great beyond from what I have been seeing.


itir_du12 said:
oh, i dont have problem with anybody bringing the ethic part, the thing is, i'm posting there because the primary reason is shooting.
now if you feel good with yourself enough with that ethic question, do you have any suggestions for a 6.5 x something that could be interesting ?
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Just don't know about it having th oommmppphhh at that range as I haven't even heard of any results using one for hunting at that range. Typically it is in the .338 category that folks have been using on game out in the great beyond from what I have been seeing.
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I don't post rsults of anyhting I do with my wildcats past past 600 because I am sick and tired of peope telling me it either can't be done or shouldn't be done.
the second comment usualy came after I gave proof of th first.
These were not small cases like the '06 .
On that note, I'm done here so any cmments will not be replied to .
Cat
 
Wow, looks like we really need a group hug here. :p

We are just giving opinions trying to help each other out, no need to get offended.

264-300 Weatherby looks like something you could also work with if moola is no object! ;) Also saw a 264-300 WSM, could also be interesting, but would be damn fast I imagine.



catnthehatt said:
I don't post rsults of anyhting I do with my wildcats past past 600 because I am sick and tired of peope telling me it either can't be done or shouldn't be done.
the second comment usualy came after I gave proof of th first.
These were not small cases like the '06 .
On that note, I'm done here so any cmments will not be replied to .
Cat
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Wow, looks like we really need a group hug here. :p

We are just giving opinions trying to help each other out, no need to get offended.

264-300 Weatherby looks like something you could also work with if moola is no object! ;) Also saw a 264-300 WSM, could also be interesting, but would be damn fast I imagine.
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6.5 STW will also push bullets in a hurry. 120 gr. Ballistic tip lauched at 3650 fps or so.....should expand way out there......if you manage to hit anything:D
 
looked a little bit on the net
found that 6.5x300 can touch the 3500fps mark.
didnt look at the 6.5x300 wsm yet.

was looking at 408 chey-tac, 338 lapua, 30-338, they are not THAT fast. look like the clue is the bullet weigh more than the speed.
6.5mm, hard to bring them at 200gr but i found a lapua 155gr, maybe it could be better to shoot a heavy bullet maybe a little slower.
how about a 300wsm neck down to 6.5. . . .slow powder, those 155gr lapua. . . .
and it would be a short action, can be done with a barrel swap on my 10fp if i can be sure the action can hold it. . . .
 
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