6.5X47 Lapua / 6.5 Grendel

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I have the cartridge case and ammunition specifications for the new 6.5X47 Lapua and 6.5 Grendel. The latter is being used in AR type rifles and the former will be an interesting FClass rifle cartridge. Reamers are available and Hornady has made custom dies. I am doing more research on the 6.5X47, but initial testing in the U.S. show small grouping and higher than expected velocities.

Please contact me directly for specs.

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peterdobson@ns.sympatico.ca
 
LongDraw said:
Peter,

Do you have the 6.5x47 lapua brass? I am thinking of the 6- 6.5x47 as my next project.
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I think Peter has it, because Paul at Rangesports phoned me the other evening and told me hes has it.
(250) 372 7030.
If He has it, likeely Peter has it also.
Cat
 
Yes, we have the brass, as does Paul Reibin at Range Sports. Just ordered a barrel from Ted Gaillard and also have 2 Broughtons coming, all in 1-8", although I'm thinking 1-9" may be the ticket. Have emailed David Kiff at Pacific Tool & Machine for a no neck turn reamer.

As mentioned, we have the specs for the 6.5X47 Lapua. Email me directly if interested.

peterdobson@ns.sympatico.ca
 
I can't wait until the 6.5 gets a bit more popular and hopefully prices come down a bit.
I had the good fortune to talk to Bill Alexander and work targets for him while he was trying out one of his rifles. It was a 14.5" barrel carbine. He was reaching out to 1000 yards with it although he couldn't get it on paper due to scope mount issues.
If a 14.5 barrel ar15 platform will go 1000 yards, imagine what a 20" bolt gun would do!!!
 
peterdobson said:
Longdraw, I recommend that you peruse the 6mmBR site for 6 or 6X47 information. Very informative.

Regards,

Peter
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Peter,

Thanks for the reply. I have been reading alot about this new release on
6mmBR.com. Do you know of anyone who has necked down to 6mm? I am looking at a build with the necked down version and it will be on a varmint platform.
 
Longdraw, i don't know of anyone in Canada, but the 6 - 6.5X47 Lapua is a reality in the U.S and has been working quite well. As with the 6X47, dies and reamers are avalable and this would be an interesting project. I'll help if I can.

Peter
 
Striker said:
I can't wait until the 6.5 gets a bit more popular and hopefully prices come down a bit.
I had the good fortune to talk to Bill Alexander and work targets for him while he was trying out one of his rifles. It was a 14.5" barrel carbine. He was reaching out to 1000 yards with it although he couldn't get it on paper due to scope mount issues.
If a 14.5 barrel ar15 platform will go 1000 yards, imagine what a 20" bolt gun would do!!!
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imagine what a 30" barrel, bolt gun would do
 
We also the 6x47 and 6.5x47 reamers. Sales on brass has been excellent.
 
Longdraw, there have been many many versions of the 6-6.5X47 type wildcat over the years. Look for wildcats based on the 6-22/250 or shortened 243. There have also been some based on rimmed cases like the 225 Win. Long necks, standard necks, sloping shoulders to sharp 40deg ones. Even some 'venturi' shoulders, whatever that means.

This case volume was very popular back in the HG silhouette days of the 70's and 80's. Look up the IMHSA family of wildcats. They were headstamped that way too...good collectors brass.

The main competitor in recent times is the 6XC made popular by David Tubbs. You will see the many 'clones' on 6mmbr.com.

Bottom line is that they all do more then a 6BR and less then a 243, when pressures are kept even (that is not always the case). Accuracy has more to do with the barrel, install and load then the case volume.

Case volume just determines the performance potential.

These new Lapua cases are built like a Brick S-house so will withstand some very toasty pressures. The CIP standardization is at magnum pressures so you better believe that case will tolerate alot more. The small primer is also designed to reduce issues at elevated pressures.

The case design is nothing new (308BR back in the day). The case itself is very very techie and well thought out. However, it is not magic and holds no real edge in the accuracy department compared to any other quality prepped brass.

May not stand up to any more abuse then commercial brass unless everything else in the rifle is tight.

Will be interesting to see if the 6XC or 6L dominates this case volume in 2007. Who knows it might be something completely different....

I am glad to see so much interest in wildcatting and how it can benefit your shooting. The more interest there is, the cheaper the components will be. The more shooters expand their knowledge and experience both in reloading and shooting.

Good luck to all who will be getting into these this season. Please post your results.

Jerry
 
Thanks for the reply. I have been reading alot about this new release on
6mmBR.com. Do you know of anyone who has necked down to 6mm? I am looking at a build with the necked down version and it will be on a varmint platform.
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There is some good info on the 6-6.5x47 at this site...
http://www.6mmhot.com/
I compared it (105 gr Scenar, 6x47) to a 6.5x284 139 grain Scenar on a ballistics program. Not too shabby at all, 1 MOA more drift at 1k in a 10 mph crosswind.
 
There isn't much difference, BUT there is a difference. Add that wind drift to the normal group size and you may start dropping points.

In something like F(O), recoil is not that big a deal given the weight and size of the rifles, so giving up anything, to me, seems counterproductive.

Tons of money and effort is spent to gain a tenth or less MOA in mechanical accuracy. Why throw much more away ballistically?

Both of these cartridges are really good designs and have an application where they will excel. In my books, neither makes the ideal 1000yds type F class/BR cartridge.

Will shooters use them (6.5 and 6Lapua) and do very well, you bet. Shooters win using the 6BR against the big boomers too.

Ultimately, it will be the shooter that determines the outcome and whatever gives that shooter the confidence to put them in the X ring is all that matters.

Personally, if I shot a 6mm at 1000, I would look at a modified 243 and push those 105/107/115 well over 3100fps. why not?

Jerry
 
I believe this brass (6.5x47) was first developed to compete against the 6br at 300 meters. Then someone wanted to neck it down into a 6mm, so it could compete against the 6xc. The brass is primo stuff, reamers are available, bullets have always been available, and now dies are available. People are looking at it as a long range cartridge. It fits nicely in between the 6br and 6.5x284 at 1000 yards. It would use less powder than an improved 243 pushing a 107 grain bullet at 3100 fps plus. The 6-6.5x47 can easily push the same bullet at 3050 fps.It could be called a good second choice between the 6br and the 6.5x284. It appears to be an easy LR cartridge to make.
 
One could certainly dance around the the minimum cartridge case for 1000yds shooting. Yes, the 6.5x47 necked down to 6mm would be adequate, but then you just re-invented the 6x250 AI. Mind you, the Lapua brass would be much better IMO.

After having tried and worn barrels in .260 Rem, .260 AI and 6.5x284, I will say that the .260 Rem is minimum at best for 1000yds. To me, the best compromise would be a 6.5x55 AI. The Lapua brass is tops and it's easy to form. Getting good velocity/accuracy with that case would be easy without driving it to the limit which I found could lead to pressure/accuracy problems in the standard .260.

Now that Lapua and Norma produce excellent brass for the 6.5x284, I'd consider that one as the easiest pick for load, shoot and win. It is the one to beat still.

The 6mm can be a real tack driver too @ 1000yds, but I've also seen it get clobbered by the 6.5x284 time after time when the winds pick up and switch quickly.

I've also seen the 6.5x284 get clobbered by the .338 Lapua Mag too, but the shooter's shoulder turned into jelly after a couple of relays. No brakes were allowed.
 
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