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Seems a flood of these Carcano Carbines have come to market, so I'd like to know what has been working for people reloading for them. I am, selfishly, looking for any info for using the cast 145gr (0.268") Jet Bullets available. I have looked through all my manuals and only found two loadings available for cast bullets (Unique and 2400) both of which I do not have. I have currently IMR4320 (ideal since I don't have anything else I reload with this currently), IMR3031, and IMR4064. If those are somehow the only powders that work in this rifle, I guess I'll go shopping, but if I could use what I have that would be even better
Any insight or guidance would be greatly appreciated
 
As a cast shooter the nice thing about powder like Unique or 2400 is that a pound will go along way. If you can find a pound its probably the easiest. That being said there is cast loads for different calibers using 3031 or 4895 but the old Lyman cast books just have 2400 and Unique as you said. Cast boolits website is your best bet for different loads. I have tried Red dot and SR 7625 too . ht tp://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?8820-6-5-carcano-loads
 
Any reason you can't use 6.5x54 MS data and start at the minimum loads then work up .Lyman lists IMR 4227......13gr/1382fps.......21gr /1953fps................. IMR 4198 ........16gr/1510fps........22gr/1915fps IMR4895.........19gr/1400fps............30gr/2132fps .........for the 143gr bullet?
 
Finally shot almost all of my PPU factory loads, so I now have a collection of brass to start reloading (60 cases). I hope using the Alliant Unique and JetBullet's .268 cast that I can hit SOMETHING. Currently aiming at the center of a poster paper at 100 yards I am hitting nothing. The reading I did suggested maybe the Carcano was zero'd to 300 yards, but I feel I should be hitting the paper somewhere at least. I don't know if it is:
A) Wrong sight picture. It has been suggested after I shot, that the sight post might go in the very bottom of the V-notch?
B) Poor sized bullet so very poor rifling engagement
C) Terrible old bore. I gave it numerous, vigorous cleanings and it doesn't look terrible. I have old L.E. that look worse and shoot better

I hope on next days off to load up some of the cast and try again... and again....
I like the history behind the old guns, so I'll ignore all the comments that tell me to use the gun as a boat anchor. I would sooner spend $300 and buy a second one to see if it shoots any better
 
Well, went to the range yesterday with a BIG sheet of cardboard (4' x 5') to try to figure out how to aim this thing. It was so windy that even with 12 staples the cardboard tore off the backstop before I even got back to my bench. I tried shooting at a poster sized paper at 50 yards, but after 6 rounds of assorted holds I had no holes on the paper. Still looking for advice here...

On the reloading front, I followed some old reloading books for the cast bullet loads. I loaded Jet Bullets 145gr .268 cast bullets using Alliant Unique. I made 12 @ 8.0 grains (min book charge), 12 @ 9.0 grains, and 6 @ 10.0 grains (book max charge). I fired 6 of the 8gr loads, and boy were they ever light shooting. Can't comment on anything else like accuracy since I couldn't hit anything.
 
I use .268 jets bullets and Trail boss powder in my carcano TS.
It shoots around 2" groups at 50m. I have rized the front sight with JB weld epoxy so the rifle shoots to point of aim.
Here's my data.

Boulet : 145gr cast jet
Poudre : REDUCED load TRAIL BOSS (min:9,8gr max:12.0 ) 11.0 or 12gr. *****
COL : 2.850’’
Amorce : LR
speed: 1326 fps
 
Back at the range yesterday with the Carcano. I put my giant sheet of cardboard at 25 yards to try to decipher POI. At 25 yards I am about 8" high. I failed to bring a rest, so I was shooting just arm-supported. With that being said and with my shakiness probably accounting for the large groups, I did shoot a selection of reloads. My 10gr (Unique) load was the best of the 3 loadings with a 2.4" 6-shot group. I think I will take the above advice and raise the front site to make my POA and POI the same. For those who have done this, do you just make it too tall then bring a small file to the range to adjust as you shoot?
 
Yes, JB weld at home and bring a small file and caliper at the range.
To give you an idea, my front sight is now 1.130" tall. (Measured from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the front sight.)
I use my 600m rear sight. (Carcano TS)
My 12.0gr of trail boss goes at 1326FPS
It shoots dead on at 50 and 100m.
 
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Yes, JB weld at home and bring a small file and caliper at the range.
To give you an idea, my front sight is now 1.130" tall. (Measured from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the front sight.)
I use my 600m rear sight. (Carcano TS)
My 12.0gr of trail boss goes at 1326FPS
It shoots dead on at 50 and 100m.

Thanks for the tips. I have the "Battle Sight" on mine flipped forward. Do you use your 600yard setting just so you still have some adjustment either way? I don't see myself plinking much further than 100 yards with these light loads I made up
 
Back at the range yesterday with the Carcano. I put my giant sheet of cardboard at 25 yards to try to decipher POI. At 25 yards I am about 8" high. I failed to bring a rest, so I was shooting just arm-supported. With that being said and with my shakiness probably accounting for the large groups, I did shoot a selection of reloads. My 10gr (Unique) load was the best of the 3 loadings with a 2.4" 6-shot group. I think I will take the above advice and raise the front site to make my POA and POI the same. For those who have done this, do you just make it too tall then bring a small file to the range to adjust as you shoot?

Instead of raising your front sight, by gluing something to it, Numrich used to have different front sights available that could easily be fitted to the dovetail on your rifle. I don't know if they're still available.

It's almost a given that your rifle will shoot somewhere between 6-8 inches (12-16cm) high at 100 yards/meters for a 300 yard zero, with issued ammo.

There are tables on the internet and in some reloading manuals that give you "drop tables" for different bullet diameter/weights at different velocities at different ranges.

Most commercial targets have "one inch" lines, which can be difficult to see with the naked eye at 100 yds, but it's still easy to figure out an aiming point on the paper so that your point of impact is centered.

There are standardized targets on the internet, which are downloadable as well.

The white center X will be exactly six inches from the outside ring and eight inches from the bottom of the paper.

Using the bottom of the paper as an aiming point is easy and aligning it with the large black circle is easy as well.

Remember, the troops that qualified with those rifles had to do so from prone, off the elbows, prone and maybe resting on a sand bag, or whatever.
 
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