6 days to go & it seems were SOL!!!

Jay

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Hey Guys;

Some history... We have good family friends that have allowed us use of their cabin & property along with hunting permission. This year, they verbally granted us permission to hunt during bow season for deer. So, the three of us applied for our doe tags in that zone & two of us got them! Sounds good 'eh?

Well, the long and short of the story is; we spoke with the landowner on the phone, all was well, we said we'd email him the Landowner Permission Form, which we did, all seemed well... Until we received his reply.

He's denied us access. Which, he has every right to do. I'm just disappointed because we have 6 days to go to opening day of bow season and our doe tags are in a zone that we DON'T have property to hunt on now!

Geez, if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all!!!

Cheers
Jay



Original Message:
Hello;

I've attached the Land Owner Consent Form that we discussed.

As mentioned, we will only be hunting on the property during bow season. I know your partner and friends hunt there during the rifle season. Other than them, could we expect to see anyone else on the property? In effect, we are looking to be good stewards & keep an eye out for you while we are there.

My brother also wanted to know if you would like any firewood cut, or if there was anything in particular we should be aware of? I know we can use the stove (we'll bring along our own 20 lb propane tank), but the last time I was up with **** (maybe a month back) there was a sign saying not to use the wood stove. Is that all okay now? Or should we be prepared to heat with a tank top propane heater?

Thanks again for giving us permission to bow hunt your property, it's greatly appreciated. My brother and I have not hunted together since before he went away to university! We are looking forward to it, and will leave the property in as good as, or better condition than we found it.

Cheers,


Original Message:
Hi,
Was very surprised to read that you were under the impression you could use the cabin, woodstove, etc. You had not mentioned anything about this in our conversation. Frankly, I haven't been at the cabin for over five years and know nothing about the woodstove not working or the condition of anything else there. Along with your plans of using propane there is definitely a liability issue.

Considering that I am unaware of the condition of the property or cabin I have reconsidered allowing you access. Therefore I must deny you permission to hunt or be on this property at this time. Perhaps when we move back to Ontario we can re-address this.

Regards

Original Message:
Hello;

I am sorry I assumed use of the cabin at your property would be permissible without specifically asking. It simply didn't occur to me that we wouldn't be able to, based upon previous visits with ****. I just spoke with **** briefly and he's explained that it has been some time since even he's overnighted at the cabin, I really didn't know. I can only apologize again and hope you understand that I honestly didn't mean to overstep any bounds.

As you can imagine, the loss of access is disappointing. Having believed we had access, we applied for, and were successful in obtaining, doe tags for the WMU which houses your hundred acres. In effect I hope to allay your concerns with this email and can assure you that we would treat your property as if it were our own, leaving it in the same or better shape than we found it. We sincerely have the best intentions in mind.

I do hope you will reconsider and permit us to engage in daytime only hunts, without the use of the cabin. Though this is a logistical difficulty for us, it would mean that we would still have a place to bow hunt this year.

Should you still feel the same regarding our hunting the property, even without using the cabin, we will certainly respect your right to refuse access. I have greatly appreciated previously hunting the lot, and would certainly look forward to a future opportunity to do so again.

Cheers
 
Bummer. Did they say why? Doesn't seem to be the whole story here.

That's what is so disappointing Grouse Man. Other than "assuming" we could use the cabin (an unheated, unlighted shack to crash in) which was allowed previously... We don't have a clue!!!

We've never damaged anything or caused any trouble. So, the loss of access is baffling!

Cheers
Jay
 
Maybe wait a few days and try asking again. You never know someone could have urinated in his corn flakes, and you were on the receving end of a bad mood. I hope you can get the property back!
 
Put an ad in the local paper looking to rent acreage for bow hunting. You'll be surprised what can turn up. A lot of farmers/landowners would rather rent to bow hunters, as generally they just sit in their tree stands. Out of sight, out of mind. I know someone who did just that and got access to 300 acres...
 
So to get this straight:

You've had permission to hunt on this property AND USE THE CABIN before correct?

Then before hunting season you had talked to them again and once again they gave permission for this year.

Then out of the blue the land owner just said no to even hunting when you sent the papers?

Weird to say the least and I can understand your frustration....
 
Makes me wonder if someone told him that he could be charging large amounts of money for renting the property out (or someone offered them a large amount of money for use of the property) and thus thought you've been ripping him off over the years by not paying? Or something along those lines?
 
first of all he didn't say you can't hunt on my property, HE JUST DOESN'T WANT YOU GUYS USING THE CABIN, TAKE A TENT INSTEAD, HES COOL WITH YOU GUYS USING THE LAND, JUST DEOSN'T WANT YOU USING THE CABIN, AS I WOULD ALSO IF I WAS THE OWNER,

hopefully this helps

This that what he meant in this paragraph ??

Considering that I am unaware of the condition of the property or cabin I have reconsidered allowing you access. Therefore I must deny you permission to hunt or be on this property at this time. Perhaps when we move back to Ontario we can re-address this.

Regards
 
Makes me wonder if someone told him that he could be charging large amounts of money for renting the property out (or someone offered them a large amount of money for use of the property) and thus thought you've been ripping him off over the years by not paying? Or something along those lines?

That would be my guess. Someone offered him some coin, and i bet he accepted.
 
You should call him ASAP. I'm sure you appreciate being allowed to hunt in the past, and i'm not saying to be rude. BUT a man's word should be worth something, you've been told you can hunt and use the cottage, you've applied for tags, your ready to go, excited to hunt with your brother, and he drops a pile of horse #### like that on you that could wreck your season. I feel an explanation is in order, and if there's an issue with safety and the cottage hunting permission should still be granted without access to cottage.
 
maybe the rifle hunters didnt like you guys stomping around before they get in there and said something to the landowner? no offence, but If I had premission to rifle hunt an area, I sure wouldnt appreciate some other guys going in beforehand bowhunting, but it wouldn't be my property so I wouldnt have a say in the matter, only could bring the issue up to the landowner.
 
maybe the rifle hunters didnt like you guys stomping around before they get in there and said something to the landowner? no offence, but If I had premission to rifle hunt an area, I sure wouldnt appreciate some other guys going in beforehand bowhunting, but it wouldn't be my property so I wouldnt have a say in the matter, only could bring the issue up to the landowner.

Yep - plus the news of the stove being in less than perfect condition, and the risk of a fire, could have been all it takes.
 
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