6 PPC, Scope.

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OK, I've bought a Target sako 6 PPC, of a fellow, last year, This rifle is capable of .2-.3 and was quite well known on the Alberta circuit.
I am gathering up, neck turning gear, .268 neck, and ordered a set of dies of Harrell's,
I now have a bit of time to join in and learn, and hopefully get enough skills, to start shooting match's.
Ive taken the cheap Nikon black scope off, and now desire, a better quality scope, more suitable for competitive shooting,
Ive several, high end scopes on hunting varminting rifles, Swarovski Z5, Z6, a Early March 2.5x24x42, really like the scope, but its not as good of glass, as a swarvo Z6. Ive not owned a night force or any Target scope before,
Looking at $2500-3000, perhaps as much as 4g for a budget,
guessing that 25-30 power, is sufficient to 300m with the PPC,

Scopes I am considering are
March 5-32-52 or perhaps a 5x40x56.
Night force 7x35 ATACR
Swarovski Z5i 5x25x56 or perhaps a Z6 5x30x50
Night force benchrest 8x32x56,
Nightforce, others as recommended.
I know there are others Kahles, Sightron, S&B, however I am not Familiar with them.

So looking for a bit of guidance, on a suitable scope, and power range, for a 6ppc, beneficial, if it's also versatile enough, to be shifted into start up, on other long range shooting sports.
regards Southern-man
 
SRBR is a weight division , 10.5lbs with optics and rings

If you cannot make weight , pays ur money and just shoot for fun , you will learn alot shooting with those guys
 
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yes , but if you cannot make LV weight , you will not be competing in the whole match so then you would be just shooting for fun which is ok too , get ur feet wet and maybe you want to buy in and become a serious shooter in that sport
 
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Weigh your rifle less scope , that will narrow down the scopes that will make weight, if you have the tools pull the barrel and weigh it as well , that will tell you if it was set up as hv or lv , most lv barrels will not weigh more than 84oz ,76-80 oz more common.
Scopes that work are luepold, March ,night force , 40x and up , some of the older 36’s are lighter so may be an option, check out benchrest.ca , good group of competitors locally lots of info and assistance if you need or want it, just ask ,
 
Thanks, rifle alone, is likely over 10.5, as heavy wood sako stock, and kreiger #17 barrel, I will have to check,
Looks like a bit higher power scope, than I had in mind,
yep, I bought this rifle to give it a go, doubt I loose much to sell it, and upgrade.
Just checked 11.9 lbs with rings, 27" barrel, going to struggle to keep under 13.5, as only 25 OZ for a scope,
 
southernman said:
Thanks, rifle alone, is likely over 10.5, as heavy wood sako stock, and kreiger #17 barrel, I will have to check,
Looks like a bit higher power scope, than I had in mind,
yep, I bought this rifle to give it a go, doubt I loose much to sell it, and upgrade.
Just checked 11.9 lbs with rings, 27" barrel, going to struggle to keep under 13.5, as only 25 OZ for a scope,
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You could hollow out the stock in some strategic places to get some weight off. Im not sure what the recommended lenght is for a ppc but maybe shorten the barrel a little?
 
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Thanks, rifle alone, is likely over 10.5, as heavy wood sako stock, and kreiger #17 barrel, I will have to check,
Looks like a bit higher power scope, than I had in mind,
yep, I bought this rifle to give it a go, doubt I loose much to sell it, and upgrade.
Just checked 11.9 lbs with rings, 27" barrel, going to struggle to keep under 13.5, as only 25 OZ for a scope,
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Most Br scopes are under 25oz , luepold , approx 20.5 , March approx 22.5 , so you can make weight in hv , if it has an hv barrel on it , it’s a simple matter to change it to lv if you wish and your good across the board , scopes will run less than you budgeted for , if not leave it as is and come shoot anyway there’s a match at rosebud on the long week end ,
 
weaver T36 scope is all you need to shoot groups, tracks awesome and is light enough to keep you in the weight class.
The Sightron 45 that just came out is going to be short lived on the wanted lists and soon you'll see the market flooded with used scopes, they are dark, very dark, anything over 36 power requires a 30mm tube for light transmission, they #### the bed with that 1 inch tube idea and the scope isn't worth the box it comes in
 
Yodave have you actually looked through one? On the Sightron website they list it as 30 mm tube.

JDMock over on BR Central just received one for testing and was impressed so far. It passed his initial "square" test with flying colors. As a matter of fact it was the best in this test of all scopes he has tested. He's not finished testing and will report later.
 
I have an old Leupold fixed 24X target scope that's worked well for short range, but for really small groups a little more magnification ~~ might help in bright light. Although I've never felt the need for more, while other seem to like it.

As YoDave said, some scopes can be dark and as the magnification is increased all scopes regardless of cost will get darker, so you need to find your balance.

Further to that is exit pupil... exit pupil is calculated by dividing the objective lens diameter by magnification, 32x50mm has exit pupil of 1.56mm and the same scope in 24x has 2.083 mm exit pupil.

If the size of the pupil in your eye is larger than the exit pupil in the scope then it will be dark for you.

So a certain scope may seem fine in bright sunlight when your pupils are small, may not be preferable with clouds over head and your pupils are large.

About now you might be wondering how big your pupils are.... Well here's the answer...

In bright light, your pupils are between 2 and 4 mm and between 4 to 8 mm in low light or darkness.

So any scope with an exit pupil smaller than 2 mm is going to be visually problematic at best.

One more point... The harder you concentrate, the larger your pupils will get.

So with all that in mind, you can see why scopes with higher magnification than about 24x are getting into tricky territory.
 
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I have not seen a scope with les than 36x in competition , 36x is usually used when weight is a concern, used ones are inexpensive to buy so are a good choice for someone just starting out or on a budget, see a few on older br set ups as well , same rules as always , a good one is a good one , not all scopes are created equal even in the same brand .
 
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https://sightronusa.com/product/siiiss45x45edfch/

All the specs are there... highlights are ED glass, 1/10 min clicks (yes, the only scope with this adjustment on the market currently), 30mm tube, 40 MOA travel

Weight - 20.5oz... amazing given they are using ED glass which is typically heavier then std HD lenses.

Can't find the video but a bunch of development was done down under with some Australian SR BR competitors.

Cost - a lot less then any of its competitors.

Jerry
 
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I looked through one this weekend and found it nice and clear and bright. Definitely brighter than my t36.
I want one for my 30br build when the budget allows
 
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Yodave have you actually looked through one? On the Sightron website they list it as 30 mm tube.

JDMock over on BR Central just received one for testing and was impressed so far. It passed his initial "square" test with flying colors. As a matter of fact it was the best in this test of all scopes he has tested. He's not finished testing and will report later.
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looked through 2 of them, they are both very very dark compared to other scopes on the same day, 1 is going back on warranty to see if both are lemons or if this is normal, i thought it was because of the 1 inch tube, but if they have a 30mm tube i am even more disappointed now knowing that and knowing what i saw when i looked through them
 
We have not had any complaints and there are no warranty claims and we look after warranty for Canada.
 
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There is a review on Accurate Shooter site.
This is a quality scope.

SUMMARY of Test — Final Impressions
I am more than satisfied with this scope and I believe it represents a great value for competitive shooters. It has great glass, with positive adjustments that hold point of aim. Because of the ED glass, the image has correct color and is sharp to the edges. The scope’s reticle features a 1/10th MOA dot. The turrets use 1/10th MOA adjustments that allow precise aim and point of impact adjustments.

Is there anything that I would change? No, not for short range Benchrest (100/200/300yards), but for 600-yard shooting, I prefer a more detailed reticle with MOA-based hash-marks. With vertical and horizontal hashmarks one can quickly determine the amount of clickes needed to correct impact. Also, a variable power scope is very handy for those days when mirage does not allow precise aiming. Readers should note that Sightron does make a variable power 10-50x60mm ED scope featuring a reticle with MOA-based hash-marks. That should be a good option for shooters who need a high-magnification, variable-power comp scope.

But for those who prefer a fixed-power scope, Sightron’s new SIII SS 45x45mm is a smart option, that is a very good value. If you are in the market for a fixed-power 45X benchrest scope, I can heartily recommend this new offering from Sightron. — James Mock
 
I'm not certain you can drop the rifle into the 10.5 class. The barrel is longer than normally used for 6PPC, 20 to 22 inch is the norm and twist rate is 1 in 14, bullet weight 64 to 68grs. The mentioned weaver 36 power is a good start. Depending on the condition of bore you could have the barrel rechambered and recrowned. Do you know how many shots through the barrel? Also the heavy laminated stock can be changed out for synthetic.
 
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