605 Clone Dissipator?

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I've been hankering to put one of these together for a while. I have a spare SP1 barrel that's been sitting around for a couple years, and I want to do it like one of the originals. Is this dumb? Change my mind I guess, or tell me how awesome your dissy is!

I'm on the fence about how I should do this. Do I go 16 inch and put it together with old Colt parts for a traditional AR? Or should I use something like an ATRS receiver and go 18.5? Not really like the originals but I'd be able to run through the bush with it.

Give me your feedback please.
 
Because I have the parts and I like the oddball stuff from the 60's-70's. And because I don't believe in caving to illegal activities pushed on me by my corrupt government.

I am sticking to the hope that I will be able to keep enjoying the fruits of my hard work so I'm working on my next project.
 
I don't see doing a faithful clone as very practical, unless you already have a solid store of parts to draw from. Vintage parts have never been common in Canada, and given current political realities that situation isn't bound to improve. Also I believe a 605 clone would properly be done on a type 2 receiver (partial fence), and I've never heard of any of those coming up here.

With "faithful clone" off the table I would lean towards a more contemporary dissipator model.
 
The dissipaters where not a very good combination of barrel length, gas system length etc
The 605 was 20" barrel with a rifle length gas system and the barrel cut off and threaded back right to the FSB.

Its documented that the rifle length gas system and cutting the barrel off right after the gas block did not create an ideal dwell time to build up a reliable amount of pressure to cycle the action for the rifle to work as reliably. One of the reason they never caught on. And eventually realized that if you were going for a carbine of the AR15, you needed to cut the barrel back AND the length of the gas system to increase dwell time. Ideally 7" give or take is an optimal length of dwell time to negate any issues with the reliability of cycling as well as ammunition "pickiness" you start getting with odd ball barrel lengths.

You may be able to resolve this with fancy modern lighter weight buffers etc but your SP1 barrel will have a rifle length gas system essentially replicating this same combination as the original dissipater. There's a reason it didn't get selected as a standard once they started experimenting with shorter barrels.

There is a science to this trade off with the AR15 most don't actually research or bother to learn before they slap together whatever random combo of barrel length, gas length, buffer weight/type and how they react WRT how reliable cycling, low recoil, undue stress on the bolt/carrier, being picky on ammo etc

The best all around setup still truly is the original 20" with rifle length system. The only thing it doesn't do is work well for CQB.
The 14.5" barrel with a carbine gas system is the runner up.

This is a great article and extremely in depth on the topic. He touches on the ammo pickiness and reliability of the 18" barrels fielded by US SFG with a full length gas system as well (dissipaters were cut back even closer to the FSB increasing the problem). Give it a read!

https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/ar-15-barrel-selection/

The issue you'll have is that you can't find a 16" barrel with a FSB at the very end of it (threaded right after the FSB) but also have a shorter length gas system to make the rifle not potentially a picky on ammo, jam o matic potentially you know?

Just some good often overlooked info to digest before you delve into that murky world lol Hope some of it helps brother.
 
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I've read a bit about the troubles with the originals, its a project I've been mulling over.

As for faithful clone, it wouldn't be 100% accurate maybe. I've given up on finding a partial fence lower. I have pretty much everything else needed to make a reasonable facsimile.
 
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