686 SSR - same barrel length rules apply to revolvers ?

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Sorry for the ignorance but I am still trying to wrap my head around the Canadian Gun Laws so here my question ... I will be moving back home to Ontario from NJ sometime next year and wondering if the barrel length rules also apply to revolvers ? Reason being, I have a S&W 686 SSR also known as the 686 Pro, that has a 4" barrel. It would be hard parting with this great revolver.

I guess I should get a list together of what I have and get someone to verify them ?

Thanks,
Ed
 
wondering if the barrel length rules also apply to revolvers ?

It especially applies to revolvers, as the major reason that ~4-1/8" was chosen to be the cut-off point was that 4" is a very standard barrel length for revolvers (including many police side-arms which may otherwise have been surplussed). Thus the authors of the Law were able to Prohibit a large swath of hand-guns rather easily.

Smith & Wesson's specification of four inches for your revolver is a nominal measurement; the actual barrel length *may* differ enough, in the right direction, to qualify the gun in question as no longer the most deadly, concealable, evil, scary thing that ever tried to cross the border. (Conversely, you may be boned even worse than you knew.)

The barrel length of a revolver is measured differently from other fire-arms, in which you would close the bolt or breech and measure back to the face. From the Criminal Code Part III Section 84(2), the length of a barrel of a firearm is:

(a) in the case of a revolver, the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to the breach end immediately in front of the cylinder.

Which makes the simplest way to measure just turning the cylinder mid-way between chambers, putting a stick down the barrel until it stops at the cylinder face, marking the stick across the crown, and measuring that depth.

The 686 SSR does not have a muzzle device, integrated or removable. If it did, that could complicate the measurement, as you do not include such in the length.

By S.84(1), a hand-gun with a barrel equal to or less than 105mm would be Prohibited. This means a mere hair's breadth over 105mm is not Prohib. (if you can prove such a correct measurement). You're looking for about 3,5mm over the nominal length, and it could very well be there.

Once you've checked the measurement yourself, you will know whether it will be worth attempting to have the gun officially Verified as Canada-legal, whether it's border-line where you take your chances, or whether there's just no way it will ever pass. Note that even if you have a gun that's a clear winner (let's say definitely over 106mm), it's possible that they will make it difficult to Import and Register it, saying things like ‘The FRT shows this model came with a 102mm barrel.’ Don't hand them any piece of paper that says your gun has a 4" barrel (thankfully it hasn't been Registered in Canada already), just tell them it's a 106mm barrel, and why yes, they can measure it any time.

Obviously, arrange everything ahead of time, with calls and correspondence to the Canada Border Services Agency and the Canadian Firearms Centre; don't just show up with the gun at the border.
 
Thanks red_bailey, a lot of good info. So even though it is sold and marketed as a 4" barrel, I measured from muzzle to face of cylinder and it is pretty darn close to 106mm(measuring from the outside- need to find a stick to measure from the inside of the barrel). Is this worth pursuing ? I hope so as it is going to be difficult to part with this.
 
It certainly is worth pursuing. Use a vernier {stick end}, spin the cyl to half way off center and measure with the cyl pulled back, this will give you the longest measurement {there is some play}, and then another measurement with the cyl pushed forward (shortest measurement).

If your shortest measurement is 106mm, you are gold my friend. If the longest measurement is 106mm and the shortest falls to prohibited length you may be into an argument.
 
It especially applies to revolvers, as the major reason that ~4-1/8" was chosen to be the cut-off point was that 4" is a very standard barrel length for revolvers (including many police side-arms which may otherwise have been surplussed). Thus the authors of the Law were able to Prohibit a large swath of hand-guns rather easily.


####ing devious bastards! I didn't think of it that way.... Wow..
 
So the results are in:
Cylinder pulled forward - 105.05mm
Cylinder pulled back - 105.19mm

Thought there would be more play with the cylinder but anyways, going to have to replace it with a model with a longer barrel before coming back. Very depressing.
 
"By S.84(1), a hand-gun with a barrel equal to or less than 105mm would be Prohibited. This means a mere hair's breadth over 105mm is not Prohib. (if you can prove such a correct measurement). You're looking for about 3,5mm over the nominal length, and it could very well be there."

You are clearly over 105mm. Worth a shot?
 
Cylinder pulled forward - 105.05mm

Well you see you clearly have a few millimetres over the nominal 102mm length!

Like I said, any tiny amount over 105mm technically qualifies it for non-Prohibited. IF you can get a Verifier to submit that as the measurement. With such a very small margin, we enter into the realm of instrument calibration standards, and method error; if your calipers are slightly off, or the Verifier's, or your hands trembled just a bit at the right time to affect the reading, it could eat up that margin. The official measurement will be repeated several times, to establish a consistent >105mm.

You would also never ever ever be able to re-crown the barrel if it needed it.

I'm not sure what happens if you attempt to import it, with the full intention of having it Verified, and it fails. I suspect that you would not be permitted to carry it back to the U.S.A., as that would be illegal Transport within Canada, and the only alternative to surrendering it for destruction without compensation would be shipping it out. That would require a bonded carrier of Prohibited weapons, and generally that doesn't exist for an account that isn't a licensed fire-arms business, and costs too much anyway.

It's risky. If you turned the barrel out a bit on the threads it will lengthen, but they must know that trick…
 
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