69 g Sierra TMK,Varget,MV . Load data??

6MT said:
Never crimped for the MV. And, there's no cannalure on an SMK. But the brass is nice and stiff (no annealing here). Read: pretty firm neck tension. And one firing and then I discard the case. There's always lots of range pick-up .223 around.
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Hey ,I can't seat the 69 TMK over the Varget.
Getting to much compression,Ben at min load.

So how do you like the BLC?
Have you tryed any other powder?

I haveCFE and Bench mark ,I'll try those.

Thanks
 
Varget will ‘crunch’ - even when it isn’t close to compression. Try using a long drop tube to help settle it down into the case before you seat a bullet.
 
Just a quick update.

I loaded up the 69 TMK over Benchmark.
It was impressive.

5 round groups at 100 yards have me .585,1.938,.780,1.014 MOA.

The cons group (1.938)would have been .750 except for the one flyer.

So far , I’ve gotten Sub MOA ,with multiple powder/ bullet combos.
So many, that I’m not sure what to stick with... lol.

This thing is a frocking lazer... lol

To bad I couldn’t post some pics here.
 
Well it’s hard to deny, this thing is accurate and I would put it up against all the NR black rifles and feel confident in doing so.
The fit and finish is perfect as well.
I’m thinking the barrel might have a lot to do with it’s accuracy,as well.

What’s not to like.

Once I decide on a bullet/powder combo, I’m going to try for .5 .6 consistency.
 
Had good results with my bulk 223 handloads that I use for plinking around 1 moa with no feeding issues. The modern varminter is a good gun but I can't say the same for the modern hunter after my experience.
 
Dr. Hunter said:
Had good results with my bulk 223 handloads that I use for plinking around 1 moa with no feeding issues. The modern varminter is a good gun but I can't say the same for the modern hunter after my experience.
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Doc,I’ve had a few rifles that were hard to find a good load,and only two that were easy.
This one and a custom bolt (6.5x47 lapua).

Not every gun is gonna be easy as this.
Maybe you just got an off one:)
 
6MT said:
Yep, tell me something that I don't already know. I was getting sub moa results ever since I began hand loading for my MV. Of course, the general lack of decorum and ego on cgn prevented me from posting my results. I won't post any results on here ever again (read: the initial MH reactions).

My MV was a laser with hand loads, just as yours appears to be. Now, if only people can get over themselves (and their egos), the rest of the world can actually see how good these rifles are. I'm not trying to start any fights here. Just repeating how difficult it has been for us first build recipients to show how good these rifles were/are.

I wish you all the luck and success with your new MV. I was seeing these type of results a long time ago. Unfortunately, too many people on cgn prevented me from sharing the results. I hope your luck will be better than mine was.... with your reports and the expected trolling.

Boy, have the tables turned.
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It's unfortunate that the ATRS forum is the only safe(ish) place to post results. My MH has been performing perfectly with my handloads and I'm hoping to tighten up the accuracy a little more before I settle on a load for it.
Most people on this site don't really have a clue. They think that because the rifle is or should be capable of shooting 1 moa or better that they will see that every time they take it out. Very few realize how important quality ammo is and even fewer realize how difficult it is to shoot a semi auto that well consistently.
Then they buy a rifle and don't see sub moa groups and they blame the rifle and go on and on about how it doesn't shoot well and then along come the sheeple who spread it like they've experienced it.
I can consistently shoot a couple of my bolt action rifles half moa but I'm having a hard time shooting the MH sub 1 moa and I know it's not the rifles fault. I'm going to try some better projectiles and maybe one more powder before I settle on my load for it.
Even at somewhere around 1 moa or a little more I was still able to hit a couple 1 pound tubs of tannerite at 300 yards so it's good enough for some fun out on the farm and plenty accurate enough to hunt with if that's what you want to do with it.
 
6MT said:
Yep, tell me something that I don't already know. I was getting sub moa results ever since I began hand loading for my MV. Of course, the general lack of decorum and ego on cgn prevented me from posting my results. I won't post any results on here ever again (read: the initial MH reactions).

My MV was a laser with hand loads, just as yours appears to be. Now, if only people can get over themselves (and their egos), the rest of the world can actually see how good these rifles are. I'm not trying to start any fights here. Just repeating how difficult it has been for us first build recipients to show how good these rifles were/are.

I wish you all the luck and success with your new MV. I was seeing these type of results a long time ago. Unfortunately, too many people on cgn prevented me from sharing the results. I hope your luck will be better than mine was.... with your reports and the expected trolling.

Boy, have the tables turned.
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Your experiences pretty much mirror mine. I have had great results with both my MH and my MV, but after the trashing that you got along with a couple other guys for posting positive results I opted to also remain quiet. It is sad that CGN has become so infected with idiots, the forum had driven off many knowledgeable shooters due to this behaviour.

CR5 I agree it is very sad when there is only 1 safe forum area for us share info in. I also agree that many guys bought these rifles not understanding or heeding what the manufacturer stated. These guns are not your typical AR and need to be dealt with as such.
 
I have multiple sub MOA groups with this gun, using diff powder and bullits.
I’m still testing though.

I’ve found that many guns that say sub MOA out of the box, usually mean 3 shots only.
I’ve discarded many 5rnd groups because of a one out of the group.
If I were to keep all my 3 and 4 rnd sub MOA groups, I’d be posting tons of pics.

As for the difficulty in shooting a semi opposed to a bolt, I find no difference. Unless I’m missing something?

I’ve had 4,5 thousand dollar custom bolts, that needed a load developmed for it.Very rare to find a gun that can shoot 5 rounds sub MOA ,with factory.
My MV shot a .894 .593 5 rnd group with Factory 55 varmageddon.

If guys are thinking they can buy a upper/lower and build the same quality,sub MOA gun for 1/2 the cost,are dreaming..:)
 
Brianma65 said:
Thanks guys, but I'm loading for a Modern Varminter.
Thought it was obvious when I posted in the ATRS forum,and added MV:)

Also,I only asked for Varget load data.

If you have a MV,you should know this,but.
The mag col capacity is 2250.
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That was a snotty comment. You're being a dummy. Literally go to Hodgdon's website and click on "Reloading Data."
Start at 10% lower than MAX load, and work up a load from there (make 10-20 rounds at 25.0, and then 205.1, and then 25.2, etc, etc).
There's no shortcut. Put in the work.
If you reload, you should know that all guns vary in spec slightly. My load is probably not going to work in your gun.

69gr SMK
Start at 25gr, and then work up from there, observing cartridges for pressure signs.

Easy.
 
greg11 said:
That was a snotty comment. You're being a dummy. Literally go to Hodgdon's website and click on "Reloading Data."
Start at 10% lower than MAX load, and work up a load from there (make 10-20 rounds at 25.0, and then 205.1, and then 25.2, etc, etc).
There's no shortcut. Put in the work.
If you reload, you should know that all guns vary in spec slightly. My load is probably not going to work in your gun.

69gr SMK
Start at 25gr, and then work up from there, observing cartridges for pressure signs.

Easy.
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What’s snotty?Did you read from the beginning?
I made at least 3 different posts, saying it was for a MV.
Asking specifically for Varget loads. I wasn’t being rude or snotty, just getting irritated by the lack of comprehension.
And only dummies use Hodgdons site for their data.. :)
 
silverfoxdj said:
If it helps I use 24.1 Varget with that bullet in a 223 Savage heavy barrel Thumbhole
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Thanks Mr Fox :) but Ive gone way past testing the 69 bullit.
The mags for my semi were the limiting factor,using Varget.

I’m liking the 55,53 g bullits ,for now as I find the heavier 69 bullits and stick Varget ,don’t make a good combo in the mag OAL.

I’ll probably revisit the 69g when I get some BCL powder.
 
Brianma65 said:
Thanks Mr Fox :) but Ive gone way past testing the 69 bullit.
The mags for my semi were the limiting factor,using Varget.

I’m liking the 55,53 g bullits ,for now as I find the heavier 69 bullits and stick Varget ,don’t make a good combo in the mag OAL.

I’ll probably revisit the 69g when I get some BCL powder.
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My semi's have all liked 60gr Noslers over CFE223.
 
cr5 said:
My semi's have all liked 60gr Noslers over CFE223.
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I’m working on some 55 Varmageddon right now.

I had two 5 rnd groups,.894,.583 using factory Varmageddon.
I sure would like to know what powder , Nosler is using in them:)

So far Varget is not so good.
I’m waiting on some BCL.
 
Brianma65 said:
Thanks Mr Fox :) but Ive gone way past testing the 69 bullit.
The mags for my semi were the limiting factor,using Varget.

I’m liking the 55,53 g bullits ,for now as I find the heavier 69 bullits and stick Varget ,don’t make a good combo in the mag OAL.

I’ll probably revisit the 69g when I get some BCL powder.
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No worries thought I would give you what has worked for me..
 
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