6BR Savage?

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Looking at a Model 12 Long range varmint in a 6BR. Anyways I was wondering if the 6BR ammo is hard to get in Canada or not? Are they much more complicated to load than say a .223? Whats the barrel life like? Whose brass and supplies do you use for them? Also are they legal for varmint hunting in Canada?



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norma makes some loaded,lapua makes the brass as far as loading it is not harder then your 223.i have two of them and love them and they are not hard on barrels as far as legal for varmints cant see why not it is a .243 cal.
 
They are easy to load with heavy bullets in the 1:8. You may need a drop tube for the really light bullets in a loose twist.

You will find factory ammo somewhat difficult to find, except through specialy dealers and expensive. 223 is a better choice if you plan to use factory.

6BR: My favorite cartridge for sure
 
Go with the 6BR, you won't be sorry. Very easy cartridge to load for. The only problem you will have is once you find your sweet spot load that the gun likes, it really sets the stage high for the other guns in your safe to keep up to the accurcy to 600 yrds. I love mine and if I had to let some guns go my .308 and .223 would be going first, but that would be a sad, sad day!
 
any brand brass or bullets I should specificaly look at or stay away from with the factory savage barrel? Should it be ready to shoot out of the box?

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The other quick question was. What is the approximate pricing difference for the brass/bullets/primers/powder between the .223 and the 6BR. What I am looking at is my first target rifle that I am going to start shooting at 300yds or so and want to carry out to 1000yds eventually. I was originally going to go with a .223 but got alot of people saying the 6br might be better. What do you think?
 
Well if you want a realy good target rifle at a min entry price buy the 6mm BR Savage. You get a trigger that is not perfect but good, down to 6 oz, and a heavy gun that will shoot the same hole, and as good as any off teh shelf rifle, you get a rifle ready to upgrade in a few years for a min cost, new barrel, and trigger bed it and it getting close to as good as you need.

If you choose teh 6 RB buy a few hundred lapua brass, some 107 SMKs cci BR or Fed GMM primers, and a few pounds of Varget powder and your off! The long acion alows you to set them out far finding the lands is no issue, oh ya BTW these rifle shoot, maybe not as well as a 5-7K custom but they hold there own with the right guy pulling the trigger.
 
A 6BR will be quite a bit easier to get shooting well at long range, than a .223. The latter can be done, but it is more of a project for experts, rather than something that can be easily done.

W.r.t. the costs of running 6BR vs. .223. Brass for 6BR might be more expensive, but it's easier to get high quality brass, and you have more choices of first-quality brass. I am lazy, and buy the very best brass that is available, and then don't bother with doing any brass prep or sorting. So if you buy a couple hundred Lapua 6BR brass, surely for under $200, you'll be well set for a good long time, probably for the life of your barrel. On the one hand brass is "expensive", in that it is 50 cents to $1.00 apiece, but if you get to use a piece 10 or more times, that's only 5c-10c per shot fired.

Bullets will be pretty similar in price. 6mm bullets might be slightly more expensive, because they are slightly bigger/heavier (e.g typical 105 grain 6mm vs. 80 grain .223), but that shouldn't be significant.

Primers will be the same price.

6BR and.223 use similar powders (so same price per pound), but the 6BR uses a bit more than the .223 (say 28-30 grains for the 6BR vs. 24-26 for the .223). You can do this in percentages or in cents, but either way the differences will be small (15% more; or if powder is $35/lb, 13 cents for a 26 grain .223 charge, vs. 15 cents for a 30 grain 6B charge)

This small extra cost per shot for the 6BR will more than pay for itself, in my opinion, if you are at all interested in doing long range shooting. The 6BR shooting a 105-107 grain bullet (typical setup) gives you substantially better wind drift performance than a .223 shooting an 80 grain bullet, or a .308 shooting a 155 grain match bullet for that matter.

Plus, there are tons of good known loads out there for the 6BR. You have a wide variety of already-figured-out good long range combos to pick from (much like shooting a .308/155 combo). You can be quickly shooting a rifle that is accurate at long range.
 
rnbra-shooter: thanks for the info. I also see you are from New Brunswick so I was wondering if you happened to know the actual laws of target shooting on private property in New Brunswick? Also is the 6mm legal for Varmint hunting ?

What all am I going to need to start reloading? Any suggestion on good place to buy my equipment and rifle in New Brunswick? Any good gun smiths around ?

Im in Sussex New Brunswick by the way.

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rnbra-shooter: thanks for the info. I also see you are from New Brunswick so I was wondering if you happened to know the actual laws of target shooting on private property in New Brunswick?

To be honest, I am not exactly sure, though there's probably a useful amount of info in the hunting guide booklet that you can get when you buy a licence.

http://www.gnb.ca/0078/PostedLand-e.asp is a good start. It talks about hunting on other people's property.

Or are you asking about doing target shooting on your own private property? If so, I think that DNR takes the position that you are always hunting, even on your own property, so you would need to have a hunting licence, and be using a rifle that is acceptable for the licence. If you want to know more, or get a more official answer, I could ask my neighbour (a DNR enforcement officer) about what the law says, and also what their actual practice might be.

It would probably not be practical (too expensive) to get your own place certified as an official shooting range, unless you had some natural features that would serve as an adequately high backstop. You could always ask the provincial Firearms Office for more info on what they require for range certification.

Also is the 6mm legal for Varmint hunting ?

No, it's not. During varmint season, on a varmint licence, or during big game season when you've used your tag, you may use a centrefire rifle as big as a .22 centrefire - so .223, .22-250 etc are fine, but the 6mms are not legal. Which is a big negative for a 6BR.

If it is important to you that you can take your rifle out in the woods virtually year round, a fast-twist .22-250 Savage would be a pretty good choice, and it would also be usable for 300m-900m target shooting too. But to be honest, I'd get a 6BR, shoot it on a range, and if I really needed a rifle for blowing up crows etc, get a .223 or .22-250 as well.

What all am I going to need to start reloading? Any suggestion on good place to buy my equipment and rifle in New Brunswick? Any good gun smiths around ?

Hmmm, that could take a while... ;-) Have you reloaded before? Will it be just for your rifle, or for several different rifle calibers, or pistol calibers too? It might be easier to chat on the phone about this - PM me and we can set up a phone call.

A good specialist store for accurate rifle shooting is Blue Mountain Sports, in Browns Flats. He also does gunsmithing work too.

Other gun stores include "The Gun Dealer" in McAdam, and the Fredericton Gun Shop (he also does gunsmithing).

If you're interested in target rifle specific gunsmithing, there are a couple of target shooters in the area (Moncton, and New Glasgow) who also do some barreling work.

If you like shooting, joining a local gun club would be a good idea, if there is one in your area. You can get a lot better shooting and load development and practice done on a "real" range, with a bench, proper target stands, etc.

If you're interested in longer range shooting, the Royal New Brunswick Rifle Association's outdoor fullbore season is about to start. In fact, our first match of this year is tomorrow, at CFB Gagetown, it's a 300m match on Batouche range. We shoot most weekends, either Saturday or Sunday. Typical distances we shoot are 300m, 500m, 600m, 800m, and 900m. We like new shooters (!), and are more than willing to help you get on paper, and be patient with you. Have a look at our schedule, and PM me to make arrangements to come out as a guest (if you want, I can let you shoot my scoped .308W F-Class target rifle, if you want to give that a try).
 
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