6NIA question

I believe that if you do a search, that you will find that for the Form 6 the invitation letter or the hunting license is no longer a requirement for Canadians, however you will have to have a valid reason for entering the US with a firearm & ammunition.
 
That is correct, the hunting lic is no longer a requirement for Canadians.
But a good reason is.........such as attending a trap shoot, etc
 
Bigbubba said:
That is correct, the hunting lic is no longer a requirement for Canadians.
But a good reason is.........such as attending a trap shoot, etc
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Hmm...the most recent version of the 6NIA form I downloaded today still shows a valid hunting license as a requirement, unless you're going to an sponsored event. I just came back from a TigerSwan course of fire so I attached my class invitation, but this time I'm just going to Oregon to plink with a few days with some milspec friends.

It has always been either a hunting license OR a course of fire invitation, never both. Neither of the answers given above changes that.

I'd welcome the chance to be proven wrong.

https://www.federalregister.gov/art...es-for-certain-nonimmigrant-aliens-2001r-332p
 
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As specified in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), the prohibition does not apply if the nonimmigrant alien is:Show citation box
“(A) Admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States;Show citation box
(B) an official representative of a foreign government whois—Show citation box
(i) accredited to the United States Government or the Government's mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States, orShow citation box
(ii) en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited;Show citation box
(C) an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; orShow citation box
(D) a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.”Show citation box


So....my original post stands. Where is the cheapest license from?
 
I recently applied and still used a hunting license. Until the border agents get used to the new 'non-requirement' for a hunting license it may be easier to still do it.

I've used North Dakota hunting licenses for many years. Under $10, online, print as soon as you pay.

http://losttarget.com/form6 is the best resource I've found for Form 6 information. Joe keeps it updated with the latest information/forms/discussions.

Brad.
 
I just love these type of threads....Some one asks a question, you give them the answer, then they tell you that you are wrong.

Well why bother asking then? Do the research yourself from now on
 
Bmcrae, thanks for the link and the info. Very much appreciated.

Mildot, I understand what you're saying, but the reality of the situation is that any CBP officer doesn't have to "take your word for it", as it were. Until the forms are changed, they can officially turn you around unless you can show them an printable update from the BATF. (And nothing like the current Legalese definition either!)
 
Bigbubba said:
I just love these type of threads....Some one asks a question, you give them the answer, then they tell you that you are wrong.

Well why bother asking then? Do the research yourself from now on
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Bmcrae answered my very simple question. No one before him did.

The current status of laws/entry requirements and peoples opinions of them don't hold water against an incomplete govt form if a CBP officer isn't aware of the changes. He, not anyone here, is the one who decide if entry is permitted.

I'm guessing you've never been detained at the border because one agency was having a pissing contest with another agency and had conflicting rules with each other. I have, twice, due to CBP vs Dept of State Directorate. (ITAR and legality issues). Not pleasant at all.

Still like to hear of anyone who has crossed without either an invite OR a hunting license, BigBubba. You have any info on that?
 
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or unless you show the BORDER PATROL the stamped NIA6 form the BATF sends back to you by fax approving your entry.........

well, no I dont, I have always gone hunting.....

You wanted a cheap lic - how can anything be cheaper than $0.00 ?

But since you "just came back" I am sure you do know your NIA6 is valid for 1 year from date of issue so you can go back and forth as much as you like with the firearms you listed on the original NIA6.

Have fun
 
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Bigbubba said:
or unless you show the BORDER PATROL the stamped NIA6 form the BATF sends back to you by fax approving your entry.........

well, no I dont, I have always gone hunting.....

You wanted a cheap lic - how can anything be cheaper than $0.00 ?

But since you "just came back" I am sure you do know your NIA6 is valid for 1 year from date of issue so you can go back and forth as much as you like with the firearms you listed on the original NIA6.

Have fun
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My form expired shortly after I got back, I usually renew it mid summer as this is my busy work time with no range trips planned. The TigerSwan thing came up since I booked time off to go to Costa Ludus in Portland, but ITAR issues prevented me from going. Spoke with Larry Vickers, Steve G., Chris and Kirsten Costa et all.

Again, I have not heard of anyone crossing without proper documentation as per the actual 6NIA form. Unless you have first hand experience, Bubba, or someone else here has successfully done it, I have no use for continued debate.

Thanks to the OP for the N Dakota info.
 
My form expired shortly after I got back, I usually renew it mid summer as this is my busy work time with no range trips planned. The TigerSwan thing came up since I booked time off to go to Costa Ludus in Portland, but ITAR issues prevented me from going. Spoke with Larry Vickers, Steve G., Chris and Kirsten Costa et all.
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Are you going to do an AAR for the Tiger Swan course, they say good things about them. What course did you take? I see from there registration requirements that they are looking for MIL ID or a back ground check etc?
How did that work out for ya? Did they require a TTA?
 
mildot said:
Are you going to do an AAR for the Tiger Swan course, they say good things about them. What course did you take? I see from there registration requirements that they are looking for MIL ID or a back ground check etc?
How did that work out for ya? Did they require a TTA?
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My AAR is that I found out how much my skill level has dropped under pressure. I took a basic pistol course from their lead instructor (JD Pot.) who now runs Northern Red. Figured it's always good to take an intro course to see how the company runs. Not sure I'd recommend it.

In the big Tigerswan Youtube promo, JD talks about how anybody can shoot, but not many can teach it that well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW06DwJzLNY
He assumed much about our class of ten which lead to a bumpy first day which surprised me. The next day was better, but I wasn't surprised when the girl he kept helping over and over was given the "most improved shooter" title for course. The two people who I thought had the most problems were given the least overwatch. Go figure.

And just because you talk quietly and calmly, doesn't mean you're humble. My opinion is that he is a great milspec teacher for SWAT-team level guys and up. For folks less than that, he really hasn't made the civilian instructor switchover yet. What he does do, he does very well. Strangley, when I asked him why he started Northern Red, he said "I built a better mousetrap." Yet the instruction and after-action sheets were exactly taken from Tigerswan since he was their lead instructor. The only thing different was that he was pocketing more money as a business owner instead of lead instructor. Not really any great innovation there.

My background was the reason ITAR issues came up. Both Blackwater and Magpul just got fined big $$$ for training current and former UK and Canuck soldiers without the proper paperwork. Dept of State Defense Directorate are the biggest asshats I've dealt with in govt to date. They gave Costa a series of nearly impossible hoops to jump through. Too many before the course date, as it turns out. They have now modified their website to only let US citizens attend, but Chris called me and things are in motion for Canucks to participate as well. I'm first call on his list.

He and Kirsten are amazing folks, and Larry Vickers was a great help also. I'm really looking forward to training under either of these guys as time and family life permits. I spoke with both the Costas for extended periods throughout my entry process, and they are great. Chris is exactly like you see him in the videos, no b.s. and lots of fun to be with until you clear leather. Then it's business time. I can understand both his success and the sour grapes of his many detractors as well.
 
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Just got off the horn with ATF regarding the 6NIA. They are calling me back with some clarifications and I will post here.

I wonder what a guy has to do to get a suppressor in the USA (and stays in the USA obvisouly) for his H&K now.......
 
Hunting license is needed to qualify a non-US person for the exception under which an NIA can legally own firearms in USA. I am confused with the new ATF rule for Form 6 NIA. Now you don't need a hunting licence to quallify for Form 6 but you do need a hunting licence to be exempt from firearms prohibition while in US.

One additional detail. Some states do not allow non-US citizens and non resident aliens to posses handguns. Michigan is one of them. If someone from Canada who is not a US citizen is going to Michigan to participate in a USPSA match then such individual is in violation of Michigan statute and if pulled over, his firearms will be siezed and he may be imprisoned or fined or both.

I live in Sault St Marie,ON, just across Sault St Marie, Michigan, USA.
 
You can get a night coyote licence from Maine for under $10. Alaska non-game licence is still 25. North Dakota requires a $15 licence plus a $2 stamp.

Take your pick.

Although the licence is no longer required by law, practically, you had better have it.

The new forms haven't been printed yet and the border agents aren't up to speed on the new regulations so going in without a licence may cause you problems.
 
Doug The Canuck said:
North Dakota requires a $15 licence plus a $2 stamp.
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You need to buy the $2 stamp which gives you a hunting certificate....

You can add the $5 Sandhill crane license which gives you a $7 hunting license.

To legally hunt crane in ND you also need a small game or waterfoul. I have never been to ND, nor do I intend to hunt there, so I am happy enough with the $7 license. Some will use the $2 stamp with no other designations.
 
Taemian said:
Anyone know where to get the cheapest US State hunting license? Alaska used to be $35, now it's $85!!
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Which Alaska lic are you talking about..?

It's been $20 for the last few years... Including the one I bought for 2012.
Non res. small game....
 
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