6PPC Practice targets

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Well I have had my 6PPC Bench gun for this the 3rd summer and only have just over 800 rounds down the pipe. I THINK I am starting to get a handle on steering it and tuning it. Just to see if I can keep it in tune.

I was advised by Jefferson on the board to just shoot it. Wear a barrel out trying to master reading the wind and tuning. I think I am a ways off B4 it needs a new barrel but I think I will get a couple new ones chambered this winter for it.

The targets this past weekend are the best I have had. So either I am having some success with my tune and reading the wind or the barrel has come to life. I was really never concerned about tune because I never appeared to have had any trouble with vertical. So it leads me to 2 things reading is getting better and or the barrel. Regardless I am a happy camper for right now.

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The first target measured in at .099 Left group. The right was my single sighter I fired.
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This one measured at .223
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The last one measured .178. I missed the hold for the condition on this last target. The condition changed so I fired a sighter. I went to the record target but I could not see exactly where my group was as it printed higher in the black square. I guessed and let it fly. To far left. If I could have sunk it with the other 4 it would have measured approx .090.

Mirage will do funny things to your aim point. The first 2 targets printed the same area but the mirage got up the last target and things printed higher.

These were 100 yard 5 shot groups.

I did learn from this day that I need to print my groups below the mothball so I do not loose them in the black square. I prefer higher as it just seems more natural for me but that will DEFINATELY change.
 
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b72471 said:
Some very nice groups. Now you need to tell use what your rifle consists of and how many grs of n133. Have you tried the berger 68gr?
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composed of:

Bat action, rings, trigger guard.
Jewell trigger (competition 2oz)
Robertson Composites Benchrest stock
Gaillard 13.5 twist 4 groove barrel
Weaver 36X scope

Don't ask me grains. I have converted myself to clicks on my Harrells powder dispenser. It was 54 5/6 clicks. Somewhere around 29.9 grs.

No the only bullets I plan to shoot at this time because they work for me are Bart's 68gr Ultra's and a fellow BR shooters 66gr Opels.

It took me many attempts to the range where I was able to shoot targets where I was happy with every one in one sitting.

Shooting them tiny holes is a lot tougher than many people think.

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I think you need a new barrel now, I wouldn't wait:p I am sure some of the shooter you compete against will tell you the same thing.:D
Nice shooting and damned fine looking shooting iron you have there.
 
I never understood why BR targets have the black square... The target already has a bullseye (your's has three). Is it for sighting-in or something?

Nice groups, do you plan on trying farther? 100y will probably get boring once you try 200y :D:p
 
Redman

redman said:
I never understood why BR targets have the black square... The target already has a bullseye (your's has three). Is it for sighting-in or something?

Nice groups, do you plan on trying farther? 100y will probably get boring once you try 200y :D:p
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from what I gather the red square was used years ago when the scopes were not as strong. When mirage was bad the square was used for aiming at.

Maybe Bill Gammon or some of the other BR shooters will pipe up.

The regulation target actually has 2 targets on it. The top target is the record target while the bottom one with the full size target with the smaller sighter bulls in the lower corners is the sighter target. It also has the S in the corner of the sighter target. This is where you go to confirm a condition or figure out your holdover if required B4 shooting a shot on the record target.

I do shoot 200 but I have only shot that distance in a match. Will I shoot this gun much further than 200, not likely. It is built as a competiton shortrange 100/200 gun. Longrange is fun but if you have a place close by to shoot it. Our range is 100/200 only. If I want to make the 1.5hr trip to the home farm I can shoot up to 1000. Don't feel like driving that far all the time to shoot. For me any time behind a ACCURATE gun is fun time.

You say it gets boring after a while? Take a trip to a shortrange BR match and try and shoot them there small groups at 100 and 200. It is not as easy as one thinks.
 
For mirage, you say? I guess that makes sense, since the outline seems much thicker and visible compared to the rest of the target.

Aha! Note carefully how I phrased my sentence: "100y will probably get boring once you try 200y", not that it would get boring after a while. When I started shooting, it was at 100m and then decided to push it farther to 200y (180m) and found it to be a lot more fun. I then went to 100y and it just wasn't the same...

In all fairness, I don't shoot "benchrest-style" with pedastal + rear bag with a 6mm round and a custom rifle; I shoot .308 Win. with a sandbag up front and my fist adjusting the height of the rear with a factory precision rifle. I figure I should work on "natural" skill before using external aids.

How were your groups at 200y anyway?
 
redman said:
I never understood why BR targets have the black square... The target already has a bullseye (your's has three). Is it for sighting-in or something?
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Each target has a sighter target below the target for scoring...

You can shoot as many as you want on the sighter target and it has the square and 2 small "bulls".

The top target to be used for 5 shots only... those five shots can be anywhere within the outside line of the target. They are measured for group size only. Some shooters like to sight off a corner of the square having the point of impact somewhere below so they don't shoot out what they are aiming at... others may use the center of the square, others the center of the circle...

It looks like you have a good shooter Cal...
 
Thanks for the answer, although I want to be sure I understand!

If we look at Cal's 1st target paper, we have the square target above, two bullseyes at each lower corner (marked with the 'S') and the centre bullseye. For the corner bullseyes and sqaure, you can shoot as many as you want to practice and when it's "showtime", you must shoot five shots at the centre bullseye. Is this correct?

Thanks again :) I'm a total newbie when it comes to bench-rest shooting... I just try to get all my shots as close as I can to the centre of a paper target with a single bullseye :redface:

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Each target has a sighter target below the target for scoring...

You can shoot as many as you want on the sighter target and it has the square and 2 small "bulls".

The top target to be used for 5 shots only... those five shots can be anywhere within the outside line of the target. They are measured for group size only. Some shooters like to sight off a corner of the square having the point of impact somewhere below so they don't shoot out what they are aiming at... others may use the center of the square, others the center of the circle...

It looks like you have a good shooter Cal...
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Redman,

you are close but not quite. Here is a picture of the official 100 yard target.

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The top target is the record target and the lower target with the S's in the corners is the sighter target.

You can fire as many shots as you want on the sighter target but only 5 at the record target.

When I have a clean barrel I fire a couple of shots at the sighter target to foul the barrel but use a aimpoint that will not mess up my 3 sighter bulls, example would be aiming the center of the square. Then I wait for a condition and fire a sighter. I may fire a second sighter and if they are right in there then I go to the record target and start my five shot group hoping I can have that condition for the alloted 7 minutes to shoot the group.

If something changes or the condition goes away and time is running out you pick what appears to be the dominant condition, fire a sighter or 2 and holdover on your record target and let fly. Hopefully you gained enough from the sighter to throw the shot into the group.

Basically you end up with a condition that comes and goes so you can get your 5 shots off or you end up chasing trying to make the group as small as possible.

The shots on the record target must be within the black border of the target or you are penalized 2 moa for every shot outside of the border.

Think it is easy? Maybe with 10's of thousands of rounds down the barrel behind the gun.

Hope this makes sense.
 
Doesn't sound easy at all, especially considering that you're getting groups in the 0.1's...

It makes a lot of sense, except one point: if the 5 shots of the record target all have to be in the square (or you get penalized), what's the point of the bulleye on the record target?

Thanks for the detailed explanation above! :)
 
redman said:
Doesn't sound easy at all, especially considering that you're getting groups in the 0.1's...

It makes a lot of sense, except one point: if the 5 shots of the record target all have to be in the square (or you get penalized), what's the point of the bulleye on the record target?

Thanks for the detailed explanation above! :)
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Within the square is not the black square above the "bull"... it is within the black line (rectangle) (border) enclosing the circle and the square...

The circles (bull) is only there as a choice to sight on or not...
 
The black aiming square was the design back 50 years ago because the scopes at the time were not strong, 10X with thick crosshairs and if you were one of the big boys you had a 20X. Back in the late 70's and early 80's the hot scope was the 20X Lyman converted to 30X by Wally Siebert. So the thick black square was easy to see, (sometimes). The targets have changed to 3 sighter targets but the square has been kept more for sentimental purposes. The new scopes today the crosshair will quarter a .224 hole at a 100yds just nicely
 
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