7.62 vs .223

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I've been looking at getting another plinking rifle that will be a bit bigger than my 22. I've been looking for something with a little more recoil and accuracy, as well as has cheaper ammo.

Which calibre would be better for casual plinking? I don't plan on hunting any time soon, so price and entertainment value are the 2 big concerns I have!

If you have any other calibre suggestions, I'll take those too! :p
 
I have a Kel Tec su16f 223 cal and love it for plinking away. Its great because you can get the 10 round LAR pistol mags for it which is a bonus. The ammo isnt very expensive either if you do your research. The rifle itself set me back 750.

That said I am in the market for a CSA VZ-58 in the 7.62 cal. Check out all the info on it in the Red rifle forum. Its in the same price range and you xan pick up cases of surplus ammo cheap. Unfortunately unless someone knows something I dont you are stuck with the 30 round mags pinned to 5. It does look bad ass and the fun factor looks unreal. Its in the non restricted too which is perfect.
 
7.62x39 ammo is cheaper than 223...

For the fun factor, go with a Non-Restricted CZ858.

Buy lots of surplus 7.62x39!!! Make sure u clean the rifle immediately after shooting... Com Block Surplus is corrosive...

Cheers
Jay
 
When you say 'clean' are you talking about doing some basic bore cleaning (bore snake) or actually breaking it down?
 
When you say 'clean' are you talking about doing some basic bore cleaning (bore snake) or actually breaking it down?

Well, you decide for yourself. The mercury salts in the com-block mil surplus primers attracts moisture from the air (Mercury primers have longer shelf life, so made sense for military stocks), so basically you get a possibility of corrosion everywhere that the fumes from round going on reach, and everywhere that the salts from the primer get deposited.

If you had your bore Tennifered, or if it is chromed, you get a bit more leeway in how fast you need to clean it. If the trigger mechanisms and the action are protected from corrosion, again, you can get away with not cleaning them right away.

However, in my experience, during the hot and moist summers, you might get corrosion going as fast as in an hour it takes you to drive home from the range and unpack your gun.

There are some quick and dirty remedies to neutralize the mercury salts, with the most common ones being using original Windex (the one that has ammonia) to swab the barrel at the range (ammonia neutralizes mercury salts), or firing 10 or so (number people quote seems to differ between 5 and 20) rounds of commercial non-corrosive 7.62x39 ammo at the very end of your shooting session, since subsequent shots will "burn away" the salts deposited by the corrosive ammo.

Oh, and yeah, definitely suggest CZ858 non-restricted as a "fun" gun to get. Relatively cheap for a modernish semi-automatic, full parts kit (sans stock, action and barrel) costs 99$ from Wolverine, and you can dress it up in plastic and resin or into wood to your hearts content. The only downside of CZ858, is lack of a decent place to mount optics (read site mount is a fair distance forward), but, truth to be told 7.62x39 is not really a sniper round, so iron sites are usually good enough.
 
Thanks a bunch notbsd! That was very informative and helpful, much appreciated!

Does the Windex need an actual patch/swab or could a spray some on my boresnake and run that through?

As an aside, when breaking down and cleaning a gun, is a full kit recommended? (i.e. different scrub brushes, oil, and solvent)
 
windex with amonia we dont have in canada. rinse everything off with hot water 2-3 times, then oil everything as you would for a normal cleaning. corrosive ammo is dirt cheap and lots of fun at the range ;)
 
"...the Windex..." Windex isn't required. The part of it that does the work is the water content. The ammonia does nothing. Plain hot tap water will do. You need to flush the barrel, action and gas system. About a kettle full, then clean as per normal.
 
Get an sks... They are pretty cheap, FUN and super reliable.

It will take you about 5-10 mins to disassemble, clean and reassemble your sks and the only tool you will need is a philips screwdriver or anything with a pointy end like that.

Shoots 7.62x39 (cheap) and tons of tacticool accessories are availible if you are into that :).

The only downside is that they are too addictive and some poeple end up buying multiple sks!
 
trust me u can get good and dissembly and cleaning of the cz 858 or any other rifle u can with pratice hell i even got good with the C7A1-A2 and M16 and the M249 and I found those the most pain my Kar98k has to be my quickest clean rifle of my collection
 
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