7.62x39 Ammo crate ???

[40-5]

Recently I bought a crate of 7.62x39 (1320 rounds) and I was wondering what is the year of production of those rounds and from which country they are ? So if anyone can help me on this it would be nice. Here are some pictures. You can see the crate from which they came in at the back. They look really old and they were not on stripper clip just in a little brown board box. They are in really good condition through.

Thank you

 

[Stevo]

Russian. The year markings on the crate are not visible in your picture.

What does it say on the case headstamp?

 

[boltonscouter]

By the stamp on the cardboard box they would appear to 1943 production. r in russian = year of
Same as the receiver cover on an SKS is stamped eg..... 1952r = in the year of 1952. I might be wrong though as we can't see the crate markings. This is corrosive Berdan primed Russian surplus ammo same as what Le Barons was recently selling.

 

[Stevo]

No. M43 is the designation of the round, not the year it was produced.

IIRC, others have reported a date of 1950(?) for the brass cased examples of the recently imported Russian surplus.

 

[dizzy]

The little box indicates 1943, in any case they are old Russian rounds. Shoot and Enjoy, Clean well after, as they are most certainly corrosive.

 

[boltonscouter]

No. M43 is the designation of the round, not the year it was produced.

IIRC, others have reported a date of 1950(?) for the brass cased examples of the recently imported Russian surplus.

I'm not referring to M43. On the cardboard box it says 1943r

 

[Stevo]

I'm not referring to M43. On the cardboard box it says 1943r

I know that.

Given the round was only developed starting from 1943, there's no way that brass cased ammo was produced during the war, before any guns were even chambered in that calibre.

1943r on the box does not refer to the year it was made.

 

[CanAm]

model of 1943 = m43

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

I know that.

Given the round was only developed starting from 1943, there's no way that brass cased ammo was produced during the war, before any guns were even chambered in that calibre.

1943r on the box does not refer to the year it was made.

it is not brass cased ammo. it's copper washed steel cased. I have lots of it here, same crate. smells different that the czech ammo too when fired.

 

[boltonscouter]

I know that.

Given the round was only developed starting from 1943, there's no way that brass cased ammo was produced during the war, before any guns were even chambered in that calibre.

1943r on the box does not refer to the year it was made.

Hmmmmmm ........... now that I think about it, you're probably right! 1943 is probably a year or two too early for this cartridge.
I guess we need better photos of the crate!

 

[Stevo]

it is not brass cased ammo. it's copper washed steel cased. I have lots of it here, same crate. smells different that the czech ammo too when fired.

That picture is not copper-washed steel.

More than one CGN member has posted pics and info regarding some of this Russian ammo being brass cased.

Edit: As posted by Norseman:

Hey, ive open 2 crates and there is one crate that has brass case, other stuff looks like the copper wash norinco stuff the copperwash stuff is 60 over 51 (factory 60 1951?) and the brass is 60 over 50 made in 1950?

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

ok, I stand corrected. I can see the difference in the pic you quoted. the op's pic is a bit blurry. I have never come across any brass cased surplus myself and have several Russian cases like posted above. it's nice to know there is some out there. is the brass cased stuff boxer or berden primed?

 

[Stevo]

It will all be Berdan primed.

It is rare to see Russian surplus in brass. They must have been feeling rich in 1950. Either that or they weren't sure yet whether brass or steel would work best for 7.62x39.

 

[40-5]

I've looked under the round and you can see the number 50 at the bottom the number 3 on top and on both side two star. I really think that this is a russian crate from 1950.

More pictures to come to confirm this.

 

[Stevo]

I really think that this is a russian crate from 1950.

That's what it is.

3 is the factory code for Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant.

 

[40-5]

Pictures of the crate

 

[Stevo]

Made in August 1950, at Ulyanovsk.

 

[lanis]

Recently most surplus ammo that we got in Canada was Czech.

How does this Russian ammo compare to Czech in terms of accuracy, recoil/ muzzle jump, amount of rifle fouling, etc?

 

[mmcintyre1220]

Go on the mosin nagant forum and look up your ammo. They have huge detailed illustrations to identify 7.62 x 39 and 54R ammo

 

[40-5]

Go on the mosin nagant forum and look up your ammo. They have huge detailed illustrations to identify 7.62 x 39 and 54R ammo

I went on this website and it has been very helpful.

Thank you