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Could anyone give me some info on this ammo? Thanks


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"AK" : 1944 mfr. Munitionsfabriken vormals Sellier u. Bellot, Werk Vlasim, Prag. Others can probably tell you what the remaining markings mean

"HLA" : Metallwarenfabrik Treuenbritzen GmbH, Werk Sebaldushof

"AUX" : Polte Armaturen und Maschinenfabrik A.G., Poltestr. und Fichtestr., Werk Magdeburg, Sachsen

Repackaged 1950?
 
The idea the Soviets sort of copied to get the 7.62x39 . 8mm Kurz AKA short.............Harold
 
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eos said:
"AK" : 1944 mfr. Munitionsfabriken vormals Sellier u. Bellot, Werk Vlasim, Prag. Others can probably tell you what the remaining markings mean

"HLA" : Metallwarenfabrik Treuenbritzen GmbH, Werk Sebaldushof

"AUX" : Polte Armaturen und Maschinenfabrik A.G., Poltestr. und Fichtestr., Werk Magdeburg, Sachsen

Repackaged 1950?
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Thanks
 
Ballistic twin to the 7.62x39; both have 122-grain slugs at c. 2250 ft/sec.

Developed by Polte in 1939.

Case is same draw as 7.92x57 (or .30-'06); 7.62x39 is based on the same draw as the 6.5 Jap, which Russia already was set up to make.
 
smellie said:
Ballistic twin to the 7.62x39; both have 122-grain slugs at c. 2250 ft/sec.

Developed by Polte in 1939.

Case is same draw as 7.92x57 (or .30-'06); 7.62x39 is based on the same draw as the 6.5 Jap, which Russia already was set up to make.
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Have you ever seen any evidence that Russia actually did make any 6.5x50SR Arisaka rounds? Or examples?

Britain made over 500 million rounds of 6.5mm for Russia in 1916/17 and Japan was supplying over 7 million rounds per month from 1916. Even though Russia had over 600,000 Arisaka rifles I have never seen an example of a Russian made round. Federov was still using WWI ammunition supplied by Britain and Japan when he was developing his famous Avtomat in the 1920s.

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TonyE
 
If Russia was adopting the Avtomat, they would have had a domestic source of ammunition.

Not even Bolsheviks are dumb enough to manufacture a type of rifle which they can't feed.

I would think that it's sort of like prisoners: just because you have a bunch, doesn't mean that you're going to let them go. Then, when you get rid of them, you don't say anything; keep everybody guessing. Bolshies were experts at that. LOT of guys on this forum lost family members to that delightful batch of mass-murderers. Making a set of drawing dies and a few crates of empties disappear would be easy in comparison.

But the simple fact remains: nobody builds a rifle that they can't feed..... especially when they have declared "World Revolution" against the only two suppliers of the ammo which they will need.

There is no huge secret to .442"; they would have had dies or would have made them. It only makes sense: basing the x39 on the old '91 casing would have been completely silly.
 
Quite possibly sold for civilian use in Europe and North America in the 1950's - Belgium had very few gun laws until the 1980's, Holland too, as well as the US, and Canada. Lots of surplus rifles, pistols and machine guns sold in all of those countries
 
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