7 Mil Surplus rifles identification, info and value help needed

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Hi everyone,

Not long ago I bought these surplus rifles as a package from a widow.
Unfortunately my knowledge on surplus is pretty much limited to Enfield no 4.

I am wondering if any of you can please help giving me more info on these along with their current market value.
I'm writing down any info that I could find down below, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong!

Appreciate the help, and thank you in advance.

Rifle A-
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Rifle B-
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Rifle C- Martini-Henry Mark IV Pattern B?
Single shot trap door lever action series of rifles used by The Commonwealth from like 1870-1918
Looks like it has been refurbished and repainted? Non matching serial.
Martini Henry Rifle MK IV Pattern B ( converted Enfield Martiny .402 MK1 Rifle Pattern B.)
Has original British military markings. Also has Nepalese military markings probably sent to Nepal in 1908.

Bayonet: 1860 Yataghan bayonet converted to fit the rifle.
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Rifle D- M1 Garand - Danish service
Non matching numbers. Bolt from Springfield armory. Trigger guard is Winchester Repeating Arms.
Spent time in Danish Navy service , from serial number under the stock, sight cover anchor and 4 digit number.


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Rifle E- P 14 or P 17?
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Rifle F- Ross M10
Ross Rifle MK III made in 1914. Lacks of Canadian service marks.
Issued in British military Royal Marines at Royal Naval Armaments Depot Crombie ( training rifle/ aboard Naval vessel?)
Has LC marking indicating the chamber was reamed to accept British made ammo.
Has Birmingham Proofhouse markings, means it was sold on civilian market in Britain post service?
In complete military configuration.

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Rifle G- Enfield Mk III no 1
Lithgow made in 1919.
Any marking to show it was in service during WW2?
Serial matching except the magazine.
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Bayonet A
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Bayonet B
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Pic #1 is an 1873 Springfield conversion rifle from 50/70, with cut back stock and rebarreled to 45-70 $1200-$1500 if the bore is VG or better

Pic #2 is a 577 Snider, with a bead front sight, intended for blank rounds, fully functional for ball ammo but the bead sight usually disappears $350-$450 for condition.

Pic #3 is an interesting variant Martini MkIV. If it's still in the 402 experimental version, it could have considerable value to Martini collectors.

If it's been converted back to 577/450 $800-$1000 if the bore is VG+

Pic #4 With bayonet $2500+ depending on bore condition.

Pic #5 $850+ depending on bore condition

Pic #6 $1200-$1750 depending on internal condition

Pic #7 with bayonet, $1000+ depending on bore condition
 
Rifle A appears to be a bit of a mix master and was sporterized as mentioned. It looks to have a mixture of Model 1870 parts (50-70 Centre fire) and Model 1873 parts (45-70 Govnt). My guess is it may be a Bannerman put together assembled from parts. I’m not sure if this is a US government rework, but I’d be leaning toward unlikely. If you like I have Al Frasca’s two book series on the Trapdoor rifles and will happily take a look if you like.

Even if it isn’t a “proper” US Military carbine, sporterized mix matched guns assembled from parts from this time period are (to me at least) interesting in their own right. They certainly proved themselves as simple, reliable, effective tools for hunting and self defence. Value wise I’m not sure, though unlikely to be near the price of “Proper” US Military rifles and carbines.
 
louthepou said:
P14 has a DP stamp on the bolt, i'd be careful with that one.
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Only on the extractor and fore end cap.

I purchased a bunch of those out of Internationa back in the day. All were FTRed before being taken out of storage for DP.

The as new barrels had holes drilled through the receivers, and a pin welded in place, while still in the receivers. The firing pins were ground as well.

Some of them had the extractors ground/stamped as well. None of them had the bolts stamped.

Like many, I bought them for parts. All of the receivers had large DP stamps on them as well.

That receiver isn't DP marked

That rifle is obviously a put together from parts rifle. Should be OK. A quick magnaflux would determine if it was crack free.

If it weren't for the DP stamps, I would have made a higher evaluation at present prices.
 
Also Rifle D - Yes looks like a post WW2 Raritan Arsenal USGI rebuild with Danish markings/service as pointed out quite correctly, though with that stock not being the one matched to that rifle in Danish service the rifle itself may not be a Raritan rebuild. The Danish returns are among some of the nicer M1s we have here in Canada. Are there barrel markings on the right side when the oprod is pulled back? The early Springfield receiver is a nice attractive feature to this rifle, and if it has a war time dated barrel that’d help it. That being said post war USGI or VAR barrels are excellent in their own right. This is a very nice rifle by the looks of it and these days I’d agree on that 2500~ mark.
 
Wow, thank you all for the quick reply. I really appreciate it!

ArtyMan: I added the photo of the Garand there for you
 
Nice! A wartime barrel. The receiver is from mid 1942, barrel looks same. Likely the original barrel / receiver combo. Even though it’s been reworked, it’s nice to have a wartime barrel. I like the looks of that rifle and suspect you’ll have no issues at the 2500~ mark these days.
 
Note the sight on the ross is from a ross 2 2*, so not quite proper. Can't remember the name of the sight, maybe ross sight mk3, as versus the ross battle aperture which should be mounted.
 
thank you all, again! This is wealth of information for me to go from.
I might just keep a couple and probably selling the rest.
 
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