7x54 Mosin Nagant?

7x54 Finnish maybe, A bit mentioned on other forums, pictures would probably help, there's also 7x54 Fournier.... Yeah pictures somebody knows more probably, that's all I got....

Military rounds, of course were banned in some country's so some people created solutions
 
Well the reason I mentioned 7x54 Finnish is its a mosin nagant, which the fins used quite a few of to great effectiveness, so a sporter conversion wouldn't be unheard of, but 7x54 Finnish is a necked up 6.5x55, so how well you could get it it work in a nagant would be intresting, new extractor and mag mods for sure, if it would work at all, I'd measure the bore to make sure the above isn't the case, after that if it was 7mm, I'd go about doing a chamber cast. Good luck
 
I don't know if your allowed to post links to other forums probably not, but there's an intresting discussion on gun boards forum that lists quite a few mosin wildcats that were pumped out in Finland, really we would need to see the rifle to see if it is a custom sporter, it wouldn't surprise me if it was or not, there was no shortage of mosins in Finland post ww2 just like Mauser everywhere else so someone could've built up some some sporter for themselves to do what they needed
 
If you are referring to the 7.62x54R Russian round and the Mosin Nagant rifle. Loaded factory rounds and components are available. If not and you have a 7 mil then someone has done some modifications to the rifle. Components are available. You may have to special order the dies from CH or RCBS.
 
The Finns did a lot of strange things with that fat x54R casing, including necking it down as far as a .25 (6.35x53R).

About 30 years ago, some of us (not me: I was too broke) were blessed with their 6.5x53R Running Deer rifles and there was a lot of fun inventing ways to load those without having to shell out for very-custom dies.

Of course, it might be chambered for 7x54 Mauser -- I have a couple of rounds, but nothing to shoot them. Oh well, they are old enough to grow long white beards.

I would think we need to see photos of the rifle and someone has to mike that bore.
 
I forgot about those bannerman conversions, be interesting to get ones hands on one and see how they handle and did the conversion in person
 
I wish I would have taken photos of the gun or at least the barrel marks. I double-checked with the seller and he insists it is a 7X54 and not a 7.62. Given the rarity of the cartridge and probability its a conversion rather than an original chambering, I might just give this a pass.
 
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I forgot about those bannerman conversions, be interesting to get ones hands on one and see how they handle and did the conversion in person
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I had one of the Bannerman conversions. Picked it up from a neighbor back in the early sixties. He needed some help bringing in hay before it started raining. It was a favor, no pay was ever discussed or expected.

A week or so later, he came over, spoke to my father, who hated firearms and left. That fall, he told me there was an old 30-06 leaning against the wall, in the shop behind his barn. I could use it to hunt Deer on his property if I wanted to.

Well, the way things worked out, that rifle came home with me and I used it for several years. Shot everything in it from surplus to commercial without a hiccup. I traded it for "something better" I used it for a couple of years, but after going to work at Lever Arms, there were all sorts of hunting rifles to choose from that at the time, seemed more impressive to me.

I also had a Mosin converted to 6.5x54R, using the 7.62x54R case. Looking back, with more experienced eyes, I wish I hadn't traded it off.

OP, if the chambering on the rifle you describe is correct, I'm willing to bet it was a conversion. I'm saying this because both of the above mentioned rifles I had looked just like any other M91 Mosin Nagant at first casual glance.
 
I did more digging on another boared, and apparently sako and vkt (later valmet) made factory sporters in quite a few different 7.62x54 based rounds
6.3x53, 7x53r, 8.2x53r 9.3x54r, 6.5x54r, and 7x54
Also the other post says there was quite the industry of gunsmiths making one off's, which depending on the workmanship could be nicer then the factory rifles, if I was near the rifle the op is talking about I would take a closer look at it, it could be a really neat conversion, possibly factory.
Oh And that Olympic rifle is somthing else

And on another note, a lot of you older gentleman really lucked out, to be alive and around in the 50's and 60's (or closer to it) when a lot of gun smiths were turning there trade and pushing out affordable conversions of mausers enfields arisakas and others would have been an interesting time, sure the sporting rifles are cheaper to buy now to an extent, but we've lost some of the workmanship and character that went into some of these custom rifles, the cost to do some of the work put into these things now just makes people go buy another cookie cutter rifle punched out on machines with computers at the lowest overhead possible, yes some were "bubba'd" but others were fine examples of the trade
 
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rempel429 said:
I did more digging on another boared, and apparently sako and vkt (later valmet) made factory sporters in quite a few different 7.62x54 based rounds
6.3x53, 7x53r, 8.2x53r 9.3x54r, 6.5x54r, and 7x54
Also the other post says there was quite the industry of gunsmiths making one off's, which depending on the workmanship could be nicer then the factory rifles, if I was near the rifle the op is talking about I would take a closer look at it, it could be a really neat conversion, possibly factory.
Oh And that Olympic rifle is somthing else

And on another note, a lot of you older gentleman really lucked out, to be alive and around in the 50's and 60's (or closer to it) when a lot of gun smiths were turning there trade and pushing out affordable conversions of mausers enfields arisakas and others would have been an interesting time, sure the sporting rifles are cheaper to buy now to an extent, but we've lost some of the workmanship and character that went into some of these custom rifles, the cost to do some of the work put into these things now just makes people go buy another cookie cutter rifle punched out on machines with computers at the lowest overhead possible, yes some were "bubba'd" but others were fine examples of the trade
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Back in those days and a few decades later, there were all sorts of cottage factories, producing after market products for the rifles you mention, all over the free world.

Herter's, Ackley Machine, Sherwood International to name a few. Some, like Numrich and others are still alive and doing well.

You could purchase a surplus 98 action, that had the top surfaces machined, drilled and tapped for scope bases and even engraved. There weren't any credit cards and phone calls were prohibitively expensive, if you had a phone, so snail mail was how business was done.

Sherwood had a deal where you could purchase a package, which included a complete 98 barreled action, aftermarket trigger, Douglas match grade barrel fitted properly, commercial grade walnut stock, fitted with a butt pad and 95% inletted for US$100, shipped to your door in Canada. The only fly in the ointment was that it takes as long to finish that last 5% as it does to get it to the 95% stage.

They were good deals in a lot of ways. Most people didn't have the proper tools to sporterize a surplus action in a manner that came anywhere near a commercial sporting grade rifle. Even then, often the people that purchased those kits had zero woodworking or metal working skills. The barreled actions were mostly in the white and needed to be sandblasted, polished, blued. The stocks needed final inletting, sanding and finishing. Some of the end results were beautifully engraved and matched or exceeded anything the commercial producers were offering. Others were so bad they were relegated to dark closets or just thrown out.

One other thing, if you wanted iron sights, tangent type or dioptic the receivers/barrels were drilled and tapped for the type ordered, at a cost of course.

In the fifties and early sixties, scopes were not readily available and for most, unafordable. Not only that, most commercial scopes from that era weren't as good as the cheap, low quality scopes available now. I remember all sorts of strange mounts and scopes. Those little square, surplus German sniper scopes were seen occasionally as were the surplus Lymans and No 32s, or 3/4 inch tubed Weavers. Once in a while other surplus European scopes could be seen, tragically stripped from souvenir snipers or sporters collected during the war. International Firearms used to offer all sorts of milsurp rifle scopes.

Those were heady times. People were much more self sufficient, practical and politically aware. Their personal privacy and individualism were held in high regard. There were other things that were blatantly rampant, such as outrageous racism, homophobia.

You could purchase and own anything, other than full autos and handguns, without special licensing. There was a local gas/mechanics station about 10 kliks from me, that had several full auto rifles and machine pistols for sale and hanging off the rear wall of the station. They didn't even bother to lock them up after closing. Things were much different then. Some things were better but not all by any means.
 
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