870-Clone trigger test... (VIDEO LINK)

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Hey guys,

If you own an 870 Clone (made in China) could you please do the following test and let me know if your shotgun exhibits the same issue.

This is my second Chinese shotgun where if I pull on the trigger really hard the hammer will release and ride the bolt when chambering the next shell.

I still like the shotguns alot and this isn't meant to be a diss on them, I just want to know if I'm really unlucky or if this is "normal" for these guns.

MAKE SURE GUN IS UNLOADED​

The Problem:
Hammer rides the bolt home if trigger remains depressed while working the action.

The Steps:
***Again, make sure gun is UNLOADED***
1. Work the action (i.e. rear then forward)
2. Dry fire but keep the trigger depressed after doing so.
3. Work the action rearwards while still applying pressure on the trigger; when the bolt is all the way back pull on the trigger very hard (20lbs?) - You will notice that the trigger will move back another 1~2mm (doesn't feel right).
4. Now close the action with the pressure still applied on the trigger in the farthest back position and then release the trigger.
5. Attempt to 'dry-fire' the shotgun. Notice that the hammer is not cocked because it was released while the bolt was closing.


Aside from this... I do like the Chinese 870 receivers. I've got no complaints with anything else either.


***EDIT***

I added a link to a video so you people don't think I am making this up :)
This is the second trigger assembly that has done this - No modification - Out-Of-The-Box.

Thanks.

LINK:

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Just tried mine, nothing is happening.

The shotgun is fine. Trigger disconnector is doing a good job.

BTW, 20 lb is a lot force on trigger, why?
 
I just tried it with my norinco HP9-1 (870 clone made in china) and it did not do what you described above.
 
:p
Is your shotgun out-of-the-box - or is this the second Chinese shotgun whose trigger you have "improved"?

I'm just asking... :D
 
ok, weird... I guess I have the worst luck ever.

It's the second OUT-OF-THE-BOX shotgun with the problem; never touched anything in the trigger assembly.

I'm a little choked.
 
I guess the QC didn't test the disconnector with 20 lb force. Then the shotgun get packed and shipped.

If you get the gun from CanAm, just make a call, their service is excellent.
 
Does it do that with the group installed in the gun?

I noticed you bring the hammer all the way down for that second click, so to speak. That's not what happens with an assembled gun.

Just saying.
 
I just tested this. At first if I held the trigger down there was no issue with the hammer falling as the gun was racked forward.

As I tested my hp9 further I found that if I really pulled the trigger hard while racking forward it would drop the hammer.

Is this a safety issue at all?
 
Easy: Yes, it happens on the gun when installed.

Ceska: I think a lot of Chinese-870 triggers are affected. I don't think it is a safety issue, but it's not fun knowing that you could pull the trigger expecting a "BOOM" and nothing happens :)
 
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If you have a Canadian brand, AKA Dominion Arms,(even it's Made in China), help is always one call away.

Also, looks like you can do hyper-rapid firing with that 870! Just hold the trigger and pump the gun!
 
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So what manual of arms suggests you pull the trigger really hard while racking the pump forward to chamber a round?

Does the gun go bang when you don't hold the trigger down while pumping chambering a round?

Trigger disconnects that don't (no matter how you can make it happen) are to be considered defective -- call the company that sells them (even if you are the second owner) and have them fix/replace the trigger assembly.

L
 
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The point is it shouldn't do this.
What good is a gun if you have to handle it like a champagne flute :)

As mentioned by lmar, the disconnector should always work (period).

However, I bought my shotgun half-expecting to have the problem so I am not going to worry about it as I am just going to buy a Remginton Trigger group.

As I said in my first post, I still like the shotgun (what other Mag-Fed 870 choices do I have?) I just wanted people to be aware that a potential crappy trigger issue exists. Easily fixed with new trigger :D

~Cheers
 
lmar said:
So what manual of arms suggests you pull the trigger really hard while racking the pump forward to chamber a round?

Does the gun go bang when you don't hold the trigger down while pumping chambering a round?

Trigger disconnects that don't (no matter how you can make it happen) are to be considered defective -- call the company that sells them (even if you are the second owner) and have them fix/replace the trigger assembly.

L
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John in B.C. said:
Okay...I don't get it???? What is the point? Why or when would you ever do this when using your shotgun?
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The problem doesn;t just occur when pullin g the trigger hard back, if you fail to let the trigger reset then it can happen regularly (at least on my gen 1 gun). On the two different trigger groups I had I didn't need to pull hard on the trigger for it to happen, if I cycled the action without releasing the trigger first about 1/4" while the action was open (riding the trigger) then it happened about 10% of the time or more. It was a distinctive feel in the trigger and I could tell it was happening.

It had to do with the left side connector and its spatial relationship to one of the trigger housing pins. It's a dimensional/structural desgin matter rather than a manfunction as I can see in my unpprofessional opinion. The trigger parts are similar to Remingtons but not exact clones. For a range toy I probably wouldn't have worried but for a real bear defence gun that mine is that was not acceptable, so I had the trigger parts replaced with Remington parts.

Cheers
 
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