9.3x62 quickload help

Sakonut · Mar 22, 2024

I'm hoping a kind soul with quickload might help me with some data for my new 9.3x62. I went to go purchase it myself, and it seems only a CD ROM version is available due to export law or something? I don't have anything with a disc drive, so nuts to me, I guess.

Bullet: barnes 250gr ttsx
Rifle: tikka t3x hunter with 22 3/8" barrel
Case: Lapua, fired brass holds 75.0gr H2O
COAL: 3.37" (~0.030 freebore)
Powders I have on hand are RL15, varget, IMR4064, IMR4895, RL17

I'm unfamiliar if quickload just spits out saami cartridge max, but I'm looking to push up to 60k for pressures, so if a kind soul could fire those specs and powders into quickload for me, I'd be happy to send an EMT to keep a guys coffee cup full for a few weeks.

Thanks

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

Code:

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Barnes 'TTSX' 36674
Useable Case Capaci: 61.403 grain H2O = 3.987 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 568.3 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    45.29   2029    2286   29299   6061     89.1    1.521
-18.0   82    46.42   2078    2397   31152   6250     90.2    1.484
-16.0   84    47.55   2126    2510   33104   6436     91.3    1.448
-14.0   86    48.68   2175    2625   35160   6616     92.3    1.412
-12.0   88    49.82   2223    2743   37337   6790     93.3    1.378
-10.0   90    50.95   2271    2864   39655   6959     94.2    1.345
-08.0   92    52.08   2320    2987   42122   7121     95.0    1.312
-06.0   94    53.21   2368    3113   44749   7276     95.8    1.280
-04.0   96    54.35   2416    3241   47549   7423     96.5    1.244
-02.0   98    55.48   2464    3371   50532   7562     97.2    1.210  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    56.61   2512    3504   53713   7692     97.8    1.178  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    57.74   2560    3639   57108   7812     98.3    1.146  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    58.87   2608    3776   60734   7923     98.7    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  106    60.01   2656    3915   64611   8024     99.1    1.086  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    61.14   2703    4057   68759   8114     99.4    1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    62.27   2751    4200   73203   8192     99.7    1.030  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    56.61   2627    3830   64045   7548    100.0    1.096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    56.61   2359    3090   43786   7462     91.7    1.285

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

Code:

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Barnes 'TTSX' 36674
Useable Case Capaci: 61.403 grain H2O = 3.987 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 568.3 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon VARGET

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    43.81   1968    2151   28254   5603     88.1    1.544
-18.0   82    44.90   2014    2251   29948   5782     89.2    1.507
-16.0   84    46.00   2059    2354   31744   5958     90.3    1.471
-14.0   86    47.09   2105    2459   33648   6131     91.3    1.436
-12.0   88    48.19   2150    2567   35669   6300     92.3    1.401
-10.0   90    49.28   2196    2677   37810   6464     93.2    1.368
-08.0   92    50.38   2242    2790   40089   6624     94.0    1.335
-06.0   94    51.47   2287    2904   42508   6778     94.8    1.303
-04.0   96    52.57   2333    3021   45079   6926     95.6    1.271
-02.0   98    53.66   2379    3141   47802   7068     96.3    1.238
+00.0  100    54.76   2424    3262   50678   7204     96.9    1.206  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    55.86   2470    3386   53728   7332     97.5    1.175  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  104    56.95   2515    3511   56976   7453     98.0    1.145  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  106    58.05   2560    3639   60437   7565     98.5    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    59.14   2606    3769   64129   7670     98.9    1.088  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    60.24   2651    3901   68072   7765     99.2    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    54.76   2532    3560   59453   7174     99.8    1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    54.76   2284    2895   42097   6922     90.6    1.304

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

Code:

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Barnes 'TTSX' 36674
Useable Case Capaci: 61.403 grain H2O = 3.987 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 568.3 mm
Powder             : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    42.78   1949    2110   27765   5504     88.2    1.564
-18.0   82    43.85   1995    2209   29437   5678     89.3    1.526
-16.0   84    44.91   2040    2310   31218   5848     90.4    1.490
-14.0   86    45.98   2085    2414   33088   6015     91.4    1.454
-12.0   88    47.05   2130    2520   35053   6178     92.3    1.419
-10.0   90    48.12   2176    2628   37121   6336     93.3    1.385
-08.0   92    49.19   2221    2738   39312   6490     94.1    1.353
-06.0   94    50.26   2266    2851   41637   6638     94.9    1.321
-04.0   96    51.33   2311    2965   44106   6779     95.6    1.290
-02.0   98    52.40   2356    3082   46727   6915     96.3    1.257
+00.0  100    53.47   2401    3201   49512   7044     97.0    1.224  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    54.54   2446    3322   52473   7166     97.5    1.193  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  104    55.61   2491    3444   55622   7280     98.0    1.162  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0  106    56.68   2536    3569   58974   7386     98.5    1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    57.75   2580    3696   62545   7483     98.9    1.104  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    58.82   2625    3824   66353   7572     99.2    1.077  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    53.47   2510    3496   58292   6990     99.8    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    53.47   2260    2835   40985   6786     90.6    1.324

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

Code:

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Barnes 'TTSX' 36674
Useable Case Capaci: 61.403 grain H2O = 3.987 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 568.3 mm
Powder             : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    45.29   2058    2351   29853   6223     90.5    1.506
-18.0   82    46.42   2107    2463   31761   6413     91.6    1.469
-16.0   84    47.55   2155    2579   33772   6597     92.6    1.433
-14.0   86    48.68   2204    2697   35891   6776     93.6    1.398
-12.0   88    49.82   2253    2818   38130   6949     94.5    1.364
-10.0   90    50.95   2302    2941   40513   7115     95.3    1.331
-08.0   92    52.08   2350    3067   43049   7273     96.1    1.298
-06.0   94    53.21   2399    3195   45750   7424     96.8    1.265
-04.0   96    54.35   2447    3325   48628   7566     97.4    1.230  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   98    55.48   2496    3457   51695   7698     98.0    1.196  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    56.61   2544    3592   54965   7822     98.5    1.164  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    57.74   2592    3729   58456   7935     98.9    1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    58.87   2640    3868   62183   8037     99.3    1.103  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  106    60.01   2687    4008   66168   8129     99.6    1.074  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    61.14   2735    4151   70433   8208     99.8    1.045  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    62.27   2782    4295   75002   8276     99.9    1.018  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    56.61   2655    3912   65655   7603    100.0    1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    56.61   2392    3176   44663   7650     92.9    1.272

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

Code:

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Barnes 'TTSX' 36674
Useable Case Capaci: 61.403 grain H2O = 3.987 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 568.3 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    47.50   1928    2064   24017   6008     84.1    1.609
-18.0   82    48.69   1977    2170   25487   6240     85.7    1.570
-16.0   84    49.88   2027    2280   27056   6468     87.2    1.531
-14.0   86    51.07   2077    2394   28731   6692     88.6    1.494
-12.0   88    52.25   2127    2512   30521   6910     90.0    1.457
-10.0   90    53.44   2178    2634   32434   7122     91.3    1.420
-08.0   92    54.63   2230    2760   34482   7325     92.5    1.385
-06.0   94    55.82   2282    2890   36675   7520     93.6    1.350
-04.0   96    57.00   2334    3023   39026   7705     94.7    1.316
-02.0   98    58.19   2386    3160   41550   7879     95.6    1.283
+00.0  100    59.38   2438    3300   44260   8041     96.5    1.250
+02.0  102    60.57   2491    3444   47180   8191     97.3    1.214
+04.0  104    61.76   2544    3591   50324   8327     98.0    1.179  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0  106    62.94   2596    3742   53716   8448     98.6    1.145  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0  108    64.13   2649    3895   57385   8553     99.1    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    65.32   2702    4052   61357   8642     99.5    1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    59.38   2584    3708   53226   7965     99.9    1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    59.38   2248    2805   36407   7532     87.6    1.358

huntingfamily · Mar 22, 2024

legi0n you need to change the case capacity and oal to fit the OP's spec's.
Also, the start pressure needs to be accounted for a monometal bullet and distance to lands calculations.
OP you might want to make it .050" off the lands to start as this is what Barnes recommends. I've found they do prefer more jump.

legi0n · Mar 22, 2024

huntingfamily said:
legi0n you need to change the case capacity and oal to fit the OP's spec's.
Also, the start pressure needs to be accounted for a monometal bullet and distance to lands calculations.
OP you might want to make it .050" off the lands to start as this is what Barnes recommends. I've found they do prefer more jump.

the starting pressure is automatically accounted by Quickload (it is a bullet parameter)

Sakonut · Mar 23, 2024

I went with that length of 3.37 in due to it being the max length I can squeeze into that tikka mag. It just so happens to be roughly .030 off the lands (I wish hornady had a 0.366 comparator for their OAL guage). I have had really good luck with 168 TSX in my tikka 30-06 tucked closer to the lands than Barnes recommended.

Thanks Legion for the QL sheets, I was initially surprised at some of those charges thinking capacity would be limited with the lengthier mono bullet. Crudely mocking up the barnes side by side with the 286gr interlocks I'd seated to the cannelure (max charge of RL-15 from magic metrics data, case filled to top of shoulder), the barnes has a decent edge in case capacity.

IMR 4895 would not have been my guess for a top velocity contender, although 2780 fps sounds optimistic, no?

legi0n · Mar 23, 2024

indeed, Quickload is an internal ballistics modeling software
you still need to do your due diligence starting low and working your way up

Hitzy · Mar 23, 2024

I wouldn't use quickload as any kind of gauge for pursuing max pressure, way too many minor variables that could lead to something bad.
2500fps with 286gr is not hard to hit with the right powders, 250 mono I'd aim for the same velocity.
I have a couple heavier 98's I shoot, and it's not fun even with that load, in a Tikka it would be miserable to shoot.

huntingfamily · Mar 23, 2024

I'm getting 2600 fps with 250gr accubonds and H4895. This is in a CZ550 FS with a 20.5" barrel.
Accuracy is fantastic with this load in this rifle.

bcsteve · Mar 25, 2024

Sakonut said:
IMR 4895 would not have been my guess for a top velocity contender, although 2780 fps sounds optimistic, no?

That's at 75 000psi!

Jon87 · Mar 25, 2024

Sakonut said:
I went with that length of 3.37 in due to it being the max length I can squeeze into that tikka mag. It just so happens to be roughly .030 off the lands (I wish hornady had a 0.366 comparator for their OAL guage). I have had really good luck with 168 TSX in my tikka 30-06 tucked closer to the lands than Barnes recommended.

Thanks Legion for the QL sheets, I was initially surprised at some of those charges thinking capacity would be limited with the lengthier mono bullet. Crudely mocking up the barnes side by side with the 286gr interlocks I'd seated to the cannelure (max charge of RL-15 from magic metrics data, case filled to top of shoulder), the barnes has a decent edge in case capacity.

IMR 4895 would not have been my guess for a top velocity contender, although 2780 fps sounds optimistic, no?

Are you sure you're 0.030" off the lands? I'm going through some 9.3x62 load development now also with a new Tikka, Lapua brass, 250 gr TTSX, varget. With a 3.35" COAL (to fit in the mag) it's a 0.250" jump in my rifle.

Potashminer · Mar 25, 2024

I use the "old school" procedure to figure out "bullet jump" to the lands - it is described in at least one Nosler hand loading manual, in the Woodleigh reloading manual and was described in an article / book by John Barsness - no money in it for manufacturer's though - is nothing to buy to do that - just what you already own.

Yes, there might be 0.002" or 0.003" difference from one bullet to next - ogive to the tip. Instead of relying on "made-in-China" thing to be dead-nuts correct. Your trying to gauge .020" - .025" - .030" or more "jump" - the few thou difference one bullet to another will not matter - 99% of users will get the seating die set and load up a batch - is no guarantee that the seating die "cup" is bearing only on that bullet's ogive, anyway, for most of us.

Jon87 · Mar 25, 2024

Mine is 0.250”, not 0.025”. Big difference compared to the OP’s 0.030”

huntingfamily · Mar 25, 2024

"It just so happens to be roughly .030 off the lands (I wish hornady had a 0.366 comparator for their OAL guage)"

Sakonut, they do make one. It is part #A9362.
Also, just buy a portable cd drive that connects to your computer with a usb cable. That's what I had to do to install QL on my computer.

DGY · Mar 26, 2024

Potashminer said:
I use the "old school" procedure to figure out "bullet jump" to the lands - it is described in at least one Nosler hand loading manual, in the Woodleigh reloading manual and was described in an article / book by John Barsness - no money in it for manufacturer's though - is nothing to buy to do that - just what you already own.

Yes, there might be 0.002" or 0.003" difference from one bullet to next - ogive to the tip. Instead of relying on "made-in-China" thing to be dead-nuts correct. Your trying to gauge .020" - .025" - .030" or more "jump" - the few thou difference one bullet to another will not matter - 99% of users will get the seating die set and load up a batch - is no guarantee that the seating die "cup" is bearing only on that bullet's ogive, anyway, for most of us.

This right there! Nelson is really knowledgeable I would follow his steps regarding reloading!!

444shooter · Mar 26, 2024

Or, just load it to 3.205” as per Barnes data and see how it shoots.

Sakonut · Mar 29, 2024

I could be way off. I was crudely adjusting in my seating die until I could close the bolt on a round. Someone else mentioned hornady does make the comparator for 9.3mm, I'd like to confirm what my tikkas throat looks like. Seeing how much jump you have really has me thinking about an AICS mags conversion... being able to seat to 3.600" would give a guy some room to breathe with case capacity

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