9 X 57 Mauser,,HELP !

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If anyone is reloading 9 x 57 Mauser? I could use some (a lot of :redface:) advice. I'm buying the dies and would like to begin reloading a supply of these as a favour for an aging uncle and as an interesting sideline for myself. I reload 45 ACP, .223 and .338 LM already.

The sample he gave me has Kynoch brass, which is Berdan primed ,, :(, and the bullet weight marked on the cartridge box is 245 gr.


1. Is there Boxer primed brass available for this cartridge ?

2. Can (9 x 57 brass be formed from that of another calibre?

3. Is the actual bullet size 9.3, or 9.0 or ??

4. What would be a a good powder for this round, and can you suggest a bullet, powder, load combination that would make a nice light to medium utility cartridge for use, as an example, on white tail deer to 100 yds?



As you may have guessed, I haven't checked my manuals yet but I'll be doing so in due course. Meanwhile any and all (printable :rolleyes:) suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanx.
 
1. Yes (finding it might be a different story)

2. 9x57 is just an 7.92x57mm (8mm mauser) with the neck opened up.

3. 9.1mm bullet (the 9.3mm bullet is used in the 9.3x62 cartridge)

4. No idea, sorry

I don't actually reload it, but I know the specs.

I hope I was of some help.
 
9X57 and 9,3X57 are not the same.

NEVER rely on loads you get from individuals through the internet. Use real, confirmed datas such;
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Common European Cartridges.pdf


9X57 (and 9.3X57) brass can be formed from 8X57 brass.

9,3X57 have no standard set (except from Norma wich set their own pressure levels); 9X57 IS a CIP standard round.
9.3mm bullets are 0.366" while the 9mm are 0.357"

European commercial ammunitions are readily made in 9X57, but they usually go for a lot $$$$ here.
 
reloadersnest.com [ free data]......................Harold .358 bullets can be swaged down
 
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Hell, 358 bullets can just be shot, at least that's what I did in mine. As long as the loads are mild you should be ok. Slug your barrel first, make sure of the groove diameter, should be 358 to 360, which should work fine. I liked it nice gun, I've been keeping an eye out for another, just to round out my batch of x57 rifles (6mm, 6.5, 7, 8, 9.3). I found Win 748 worked well in mine. - dan
 
Thanx for the help guys, "much appreciated". I hear ya Baribal, and thanx very much for the data. I have Quickload which supports the 9 x 57 but I prefer to use Quickload as my secondary reference.

Now, to expand those 8 x case mouths, can someone advise how to do this ? It would be nice if the expander ball on the Redding die would do the job but a mil seems like a lot to ask.

Thanx
 
Your standard reforming die will usually do it in only one pass.
Just use as much lubricant as it need to do it easily.
I use Hornady die for this caliber, but I am sure Redding already thought about it before they make their dies.
Also, start with the die a bit higher than usual and try the brass in the rifle, lowering the die a bit after every unsuccessful trial to chamber. When the brass will easily chamber, you're done.
This will make the brass a close fit to the chamber wich is not a bad thing in that case.

Well, some people trust the informations on the Internet quite a bit more than I do, and if you have Quickload, you can at least have an idea of what they're doing. A reloading manual is just that, verified and standardized loads within the "standard" pressure limits.

.358 bullets are OK, and that's one reason why CIP kept the pressures a low level.

Enjoy your new toy.
 
Thanx again Baribal, I should be good to go now. This won't be a high volume exercise. As I mentioned above, I'm doing this as a gift to an uncle, hoping to impress him a little and myself a lot :redface:. In any case, I'm sure the old boy (pushing 90) will enjoy more use of that rifle when I'm done. He's a life long country boy and hunter.
 
9x57

I picked one up last summer. and have only tried one plinking load

Used a 338 exp.plug then the 9mm die to neck up the 8mm brass.

I was using 357 Mag. 160gr. bullets they shoot very accurately. but way high Of fac. settings and would easily take white tail or island deer

Not much i know but it is a nice round.
 
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What kind of $$$$ are we talking here?

Just curious.
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I just recently caught a glimpse of prices but have forgotten where. As I recall, however, you're talking 5 to 6 bucks each or around $USD 55.00 per 10. They're none too friggin cheap to make either, about a buck each, thanx to Higginsons having 1 x brass ,I hope :redface:.


Baribal ,, FYI, I've just been looking at the Hodgdon data sheet and frigging with Quickload and it appears for all the world like there is a typo on the sheet for the 9 x 57 Mauser.

It looks like the Charge wts for 250g bullets and 280g bullets have been transposed. When I switch the charge/bullet data in Quickload, everything, (velocities & pressures) come out perfectly, otherwise not so good.

Anyhow, I'm delighted to have the data, (the transposition is kinda obvious really), but I just wanted to post a heads up.

Regards
 
x2 on swaging .358" bullets. Check the bottom of this page to see the process for swaging .366" (9.3mm) down to .358":
http://35cal.com/bullets.html


You should also consider your rifle's action - M98 Mausers are much stronger than M96 or M95 versions.
 
Actually, I was half wrong regarding ammo availlability...

Last time I checked for loaded ammo was somewhere about 15 years ago.
At that time, there were some RWS ammo floating around, maybe already obsolete, but expensive (another good reason to justify being into reloading).
Now, I checked RWS and most other Euro manufacturers and they're not manufacturing any no-more. Funny, 'cos the 9X57 is still quite popular for boar hunting there.
Anyways, they are availlable from OWS for about 45.00 $ US, so, with transport, custom clearance and mark-up, you can think of about 60.00 4 for a 20.00 $ rounds pack from people like Ellwood Epps.
 
You are 100% correct, HKMark23

I checked my ADI reloading manual and Hodgdon did, effectively made a transcription error.
All the loads for the "Extreme Powders" from hodgdon are actually copies of the work done at ADI (Australia), since it's them who manufacture these powders.

Just for you info, ADI AR2208 is Varget and AR2206H is H4895.

most rifles chambered in 9X57 are m/98 - they were popular in Germany. But, there is no real problem using a M/94 and derivatives for that round, since the pressure is less than the 6.5X55, at about just a tad below the 9.3X57, wich was, itself chambered in the HVA M/46.
 
Baribal said:
But, there is no real problem using a M/94 and derivatives for that round, since the pressure is less than the 6.5X55, at about just a tad below the 9.3X57, wich was, itself chambered in the HVA M/46.
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There is no real problem if you limit your reloads to suitable (ie lower) pressure.
 
Exactly what I previouslty said; use confirmed loads, from official publications, not "somebody's" personal creation.
 
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