91/30s with bent bolts

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Hey all, finally got my PAL in the mail from RCMP, they must have had their santa suits on...

So after lots of reading up (thanks CGN!) I'm thinking going down the Moisin Nagant road, especially a 91/30 for next years deer rifle, but with an eye towards the 91/30 sniper setup.

Rather than drop the coin on a repro sniper out of the crate, I was thinking of one of Westrifle's "select" with a bent bolt already installed. Then I can pick up a soviet scope down the road. (I'm not planning on bubba'ing anything here)
Are these selected for any other reason; ie good bores? When was the bolt installed, at the Russian arsenal or here in Canada?

Thanks for any heads up, looking forward to getting out and shooting.
 
eleventhirtyfour said:
Hey all, finally got my PAL in the mail from RCMP, they must have had their santa suits on...

So after lots of reading up (thanks CGN!) I'm thinking going down the Moisin Nagant road, especially a 91/30 for next years deer rifle, but with an eye towards the 91/30 sniper setup.

Rather than drop the coin on a repro sniper out of the crate, I was thinking of one of Westrifle's "select" with a bent bolt already installed. Then I can pick up a soviet scope down the road. (I'm not planning on bubba'ing anything here)
Are these selected for any other reason; ie good bores? When was the bolt installed, at the Russian arsenal or here in Canada?

Thanks for any heads up, looking forward to getting out and shooting.
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Sniper repro is a best way if the repro have a nice bore,will save you troubles. You can go the other way but rifle, scope,mount and gunsmith(if you need) will cost you as much as the repro. Either ways, try to request bore pics. For the bent bolt, Westrifle will tell you if was installed before rifle came in canuckistan:)
Jocelyn
 
As I have been interested in Mosin's for a while and just recently having received one from Westrifle I have been following the threads closely. My rifle was $130 and I'm not sure what I paid the extra $30 for as examining pictures i cannot see any difference. Suffice to say I'm very satisfied with what I got. Now onto the subject of sniper rifles. This is my next purchase and what I understand is that they are bent bolt rifles that were never used as snipers as there are no filled in scope mount holes. Have I got this right? So you are not getting a rifle that is anymore accurate than a regular Mosin BUT has anyone tricked one out yet? On another thread improving accuracy was discussed and a number of steps shown. So I'm sure someone here has done this and so would they care to mention what level of improvement they have managed to reach?

Cheers, steve.
 
So if you are new to mosin nagant, you need to know one important thing.
Its about wall receiver height...
If you plan to put a PU scope setup on a mosin, you need a high wall receiver.

High wall

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Low wall

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Both...

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What about a PE scope setup on an older Hex receiver ?
You can find a nice Hex M/N with a good bore here on CGN...
Scope is about 300$ + shipping on Ebay...
Find or modify a bolt ( bent blot ) and you have a really nice rifle...

You know the quality of these older Hex receiver M/N is usually better that those round receiver...
Finnish rifles are the most accurate mosin nagants ever made...
95%+ have hex receivers...
+1 PE scope have adjustable focus ( PU is fixed )

It will cost a little bit more than a PU scope but IMO PE setup is the best.

Both PU and PE are nice, i want to own both !!!
 
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Hmmm- all good points, and a quick look at some of the bolts on the "sniper repro"s at Westrifle shows a pretty strong difference in the cleanup around the bolts.

Good to know about the receiver wall height, too.

I definitely fall on the diy-home-tinkerer side of the equation, so the temptation to do it nice myself is there- I sure don't need a gunsmith to drill and tap two small holes, but I have read a lot of good reviews of the repro package that make it seem like it's worth more than the sum of a lot of parts...

Hmm, lots to think about...
 
eleventhirtyfour said:
Hmmm- all good points, and a quick look at some of the bolts on the "sniper repro"s at Westrifle shows a pretty strong difference in the cleanup around the bolts.

Good to know about the receiver wall height, too.

I definitely fall on the diy-home-tinkerer side of the equation, so the temptation to do it nice myself is there- I sure don't need a gunsmith to drill and tap two small holes, but I have read a lot of good reviews of the repro package that make it seem like it's worth more than the sum of a lot of parts...

Hmm, lots to think about...
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You need to drill four holes, 2 are for guide pins and 2 are threaded for the mounting screws(for a PU set up) and you must install the mouth correctly in the right place. I'm not questioning your skills,i just say that ist not a quick job. It can be done sure but must be done correctly. my 2 cents:)
Jocelyn
 
eleventhirtyfour said:
I sure don't need a gunsmith to drill and tap two small holes
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svt1940 said:
You need to drill four holes, 2 are for guide pins and 2 are threaded for the mounting screws(for a PU set up) and you must install the mouth correctly in the right place. I'm not questioning your skills,i just say that ist not a quick job. It can be done sure but must be done correctly. my 2 cents:)
Jocelyn
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You're right Jocelyn.
+ you forget to say he must then drill a notch in the 2 main screws for the two small locking screws ( drill a small part on the side on the screw head).

I don't know you eleventhirtyfour, maybe you really know what you are doin but I must warn you.

- The scope base must be perfectly aligned ( best possible ) with the bore.
This is the most difficult part IMO. Those round receiver ( and barrels ) are so roughly milled/turned, there is good chances the bore is not concentric with the receiver and the OD of the barrel. Good news is, there is adjustment fo windage ( file or shim ) and plenty of elevation adj. from the 2 set screws.

I'm machinist from 11 years and yeah its easy to drill and tap two holes :p
But you must drill them at the right place and be perpendicular with the rifle...It is more difficult !!!

This is just my opinions and i'm not an expert in Mosin, some people in here know tons more than me.
So if anything I said is wrong, don't hesitate to reply...
 
Naw, that's just my "let's have another project" voice taking over- shimming and machine shop work I'm no stranger to, but I would hesitate to start messing with anything with value (ie a hex receiver, 30s Tula issue)... and if I did, I surely wouldn't admit to it in a forum! I would hate to be That Guy.

I'll continue the investigations and hopefully be a happy MN owner in a few months! Thanks all...
 
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You're right Jocelyn.
+ you forget to say he must then drill a notch in the 2 main screws for the two small locking screws ( drill a small part on the side on the screw head).

I don't know you eleventhirtyfour, maybe you really know what you are doin but I must warn you.

- The scope base must be perfectly aligned ( best possible ) with the bore.
This is the most difficult part IMO. Those round receiver ( and barrels ) are so roughly milled/turned, there is good chances the bore is not concentric with the receiver and the OD of the barrel. Good news is, there is adjustment fo windage ( file or shim ) and plenty of elevation adj. from the 2 set screws.

I'm machinist from 11 years and yeah its easy to drill and tap two holes :p
But you must drill them at the right place and be perpendicular with the rifle...It is more difficult !!!

This is just my opinions and i'm not an expert in Mosin, some people in here know tons more than me.
So if anything I said is wrong, don't hesitate to reply...
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Right about notching the screws, i forgot to tell:redface: Ofc not the harder part of the job:p
Jocelyn
 
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