960 Rowland.... anyone running this??

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Anyone familiar with the "960 Rowland" caliber and conversion kits? Anyone tried them? If so, where did you get it, and what was your experience with it? Also, where in Canada did you find ammo for it? I'm thinking this could be a new way to have some fun with my Glock 19 :) I had never even heard of this caliber until about 10 minutes ago...



https://www.glockforum.com/articles/upping-your-glock-19-game-to-960-rowland.152/



One of the most popular caliber swaps for large framepistols is the relatively new .960 Rowland caliber. It offers a bit more bang for the buck but has some things to keep in mind. We look at this innovative aftermarket conversion for the Glock.

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.460's younger brother

If you took a .45ACP sized round, and made it deliver performance around that of a .44 Magnum, then you have something on the order of the .460 Rowland. This round, the brainchild of "Shooting Show" host Johnny Ray Rowland about twenty years ago, uses a 24.3mm case and a .451-caliber bullet to generate a simply staggering 900-1000 ft.lbs of energy at the muzzle. It does this by making a 230-grain bullet, standard .45ACP fodder; go supersonic at 1300 or more feet per second. It is .0625" longer than a .45 ACP and features a beefed up interior casewall. As such, it will not chamber in .45 ACP gun barrels.

In short, the supped-up .460 delivers three to four times the power downrange of the .45ACP, which makes it a pretty bad mama-jama. This puts in a bit hotter than 10mm Auto, and firmly in the arena of .44 Magnum loads.

Jim Downey over at Ballistics By the Inch, the website where most gun nerds (this one included) go to minutely distill data on ft.lbs and fps for various loads, said of the .460 Rowland that its "Like flinging thunderbolts."

Taking this same concept, Rowland used the 9mm round and coughed up the .960.

Details on the .960R

Debuted last year, Rowland paints the round like this, "What the 460 Rowland is to the 44 Magnum the 960 is to the 357 Magnum... and we unveil it in the comfortably small Glock-19."

The maker advertises .357-magnum performance, but with less recoil and no appreciable muzzle rise as well as reduced noise and night blinding flash.

"With a full magazine and one round in the chamber you'll be packing well over 4 tons of bone crushing energy that you can accurately and rapidly place farther down range than ever before," reads a statement on the website.

The round comes in a 115gr .960 Rowland loading on a longer 9mm case and (according to the company) travels at over 1600 ft/sec, from a 6" barrel, and delivers over 650 ft./lbs. of muzzle energy and a power factor of almost 185. Of course, the G19 does not have a 6 inch barrel but you get the idea. A 147-grain penetrator hunting round with a hard cast lead flat-nosed bullet is also available.

Kits

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To fire this zippy round, you have to use one of two conversion kits offered from Rowland. Both are drop in barrels that make no permanent changes to your gunand can be swapped back out to shoot standard 9x19mm rounds. These include a ported option that is California compliant (as long as you already have your G19!) and a more standard non-ported version.

On the downside, price per 50 round box of .960R is $50, so there is that.


Phil Tussey does the .960 swap on a ported Glock 19

Brad Miller over at Shotgun News recently reviewed the .960 for the Glock 19 and had some interesting stuff to say about it.

"The .960 Rowland is a new cartridge and was fun to shoot from the compensated conversion barrel in the Glock 19. The compensator meant that even the potent 115-grain load had no more muzzle rise than a standard 9mm Luger round. The performance level of the .960 ammunition tested was similar to high performance 9mm Luger +P ammunition," said Miller

 
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From here: https://www.shotgunnews.com/editorial/960-rowland-review/77904#

"Now it's a bigger, badder 9mm. The new .960 Rowland brings .357 Magnum power to your Glock 19. The .960 Rowland is a 9mm Luger-length cartridge with an elongated case, just as the .460 is a .45 ACP-length cartridge with a longer case. The .960 uses a 23mm long case compared to the 9mm's 19mm long case, but the cartridge's overall length is limited to 9mm Luger length because it is designed to fit in a 9mm size frame. The long brass prevents it from being accidentally chambered in a 9mm Luger."

- .960 Rowland - 23mm
- 38 Super - 22.86mm

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[FONT=&quot]Rowland says cartridge pressures are in the 40,000-45,000 psi range. This compares to the 9mm +P which has a maximum SAAMI pressure limit of 38,500 psi. Therefore, the .960 should be capable of performing at higher than 9mm+P levels.[/FONT]

Seems that .960 Rowland is a 9mm +P+ with a compensator.

- I load 45 Super brass with 460 Rowland loads in my Norinco. 230 gr hardball at 1200 fps. Snappy. No need for the kit, nor the proprietary brass. All I'm missing is the compensator, the hype and a few hundred bucks out of pocket.
- I rechambered a Norinco 54-1 to 38 Super using 7.62X25 mags. 125 gr at 1200 fps. Zippy. 38 Super on a Norinco NP-29 would be interesting.
 
I have a 460Rowland kit in a Norinco 1911. Some serious power. Not as much power and recoil as a 44 Mag, but getting up there.

The 6" ballistics of the 960Rowland are only about 100fps faster than a 357 Sig. The SIG uses a necked down 40 cal case to get the extra case capacity. This seems to be the easy, cheap solution for a souped up 9mm. I don't fret when I lose a 357SIG case. I make them from 40S&W cases, and they are available by the barrel, cheap. But if I lose a 460 Rowland case, that mattes, because I only have 300 of them.

The 960 looks interesting, but would be better off in a 1911. It has a longer case than a regular 9mm, but the bullet has to be seated deep to fit in the Glock mag.

A 960 in a 1911 could use the 38 Super mags, and seat the bullets out where they belong. The steel frame model 1911 would help tame the recoil, too.

I have a 1911 in 7.62x25 using 38 Super mags. It is a blast.
 
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From here: https://www.shotgunnews.com/editorial/960-rowland-review/77904#

"Now it's a bigger, badder 9mm. The new .960 Rowland brings .357 Magnum power to your Glock 19. The .960 Rowland is a 9mm Luger-length cartridge with an elongated case, just as the .460 is a .45 ACP-length cartridge with a longer case. The .960 uses a 23mm long case compared to the 9mm's 19mm long case, but the cartridge's overall length is limited to 9mm Luger length because it is designed to fit in a 9mm size frame. The long brass prevents it from being accidentally chambered in a 9mm Luger."

Rowland says cartridge pressures are in the 40,000-45,000 psi range. This compares to the 9mm +P which has a maximum SAAMI pressure limit of 38,500 psi. Therefore, the .960 should be capable of performing at higher than 9mm+P levels.

Seems that .960 Rowland is a 9mm +P+ with a compensator.

- I load 45 Super brass with 460 Rowland loads in my Norinco. 230 gr hardball at 1200 fps. Snappy. No need for the kit, nor the proprietary brass. All I'm missing is the compensator, the hype and a few hundred bucks out of pocket.
- I rechambered a Norinco 54-1 to 38 Super using 7.62X25 mags. 125 gr at 1200 fps. Zippy. 38 Super on a Norinco NP-29 would be interesting.




Thanks for the responses. I have a .460v and a 10mm I enjoy shooting, and used to have a .44 and a dedicated .45Super 1911 - I've always enjoyed 'hand cannons', so this sounded interesting to me.

Sounds like the 960 is probably not worth my time though.... I don't reload, but maybe I'll have to get into it. If I did, I could just go 357Sig and reload hot ammo for cheaper, from the sounds of it. I have a .40 Glock - I think I could just buy a 357Sig barrel for it and be good to go, yes?

I've never bothered with the 460 Rowland as I got out of 1911s quite a while ago, but I do have a bunch of .45 Super left over from the old 1911 I had. I run a few rounds of this through my HK45 once in a while. If I get into reloading, I suppose I could also reload the 45 Super once-fired brass I have to +P+ (or .460 Rowland) levels and use my HK to satisfy that big-boom itch :)
 
Thanks for the responses. I have a .460v and a 10mm I enjoy shooting, and used to have a .44 and a dedicated .45Super 1911 - I've always enjoyed 'hand cannons', so this sounded interesting to me.

Sounds like the 960 is probably not worth my time though.... I don't reload, but maybe I'll have to get into it. If I did, I could just go 357Sig and reload hot ammo for cheaper, from the sounds of it. I have a .40 Glock - I think I could just buy a 357Sig barrel for it and be good to go, yes?

My 357Sig is a Glock and a 40S&W barrel also works in it. I have both 357 and 40S&W mags. They are slightly different, but either will work, with the occasional jam. Best to buy the extra mags when you buy the new barrel.
 
My 357Sig is a Glock and a 40S&W barrel also works in it. I have both 357 and 40S&W mags. They are slightly different, but either will work, with the occasional jam. Best to buy the extra mags when you buy the new barrel.

Cool, thanks. I've got a Glock 23, so I guess I'll look into a 357Sig barrel and mags for it in the new year, along with a pile of reloading stuff!
 
The 357Sig has a few little quirks:

If you buy the plated 9mm bullets, buy the flat nose. The pointed nose would be seated so deep the case mouth would be above the ogive shoulder.

If you size 40S&W cases to 357SIG, don't let the die bottom out on the shell holder. That will move the shoulder on the case up a bit so the case will headspace on the shoulder. After sizing the case is now a bit too short.

I find these cases work perfectly and are dirt cheap.
 
ive got a 460Rowland on a Norinco as well.
ordered it directly from Roland back before they realized they where not suppose to export.
also ordered brass from them.
have gotten my brass in Canada now from anyone who carries Starline, its just a special order so easy enough to get.

i have a 10mm Glock now and really enjoy it.
kinda hankering to build a 460Rowland on a Glock.
 
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