9mm handgun 22 conversion kit - good idea?

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Hi all,

I am a new shooter and plan to get a Glock 17 within the next 2 weeks.

Do you have any experience in using a 22LR conversion
kit for your handgun?
Does it help you to build good basics,
and will it save you $$$ long term?

To the experienced competition shooters who ever used a conversion kit:
Once you became highly proficient using your handgun,
do you still have a use for a conversion kit?
Or did you get rid of the conversion kit after you became proficient?


With the Glock 17, all I can find now is an AllAdvantage
conversion kit, that is in the $600 range...
Almost as much as another glock.

Still debating if I should just do massive amount of dry firing and
buy 9mm ammo with the $600-

Any feedback is appreciated.
Regards,
 
Do you have any experience in using a 22LR conversion kit for your handgun? Does it help you to build good basics, and will it save you $$$ long term?

Yes. It lets you learn to shoot - and to shoot a lot - even if you're restricted by a tight budget.

To the experienced competition shooters who ever used a conversion kit:
Once you became highly proficient using your handgun, do you still have a use for a conversion kit? Or did you get rid of the conversion kit after you became proficient?

Good luck finding an experienced competition shooter who honestly says he/she has no use for their .22LR conversion kits. Even fully-sponsored professional shooters whose ammunition is provided at no charge to them still have a use for .22LR conversion kits.

One caveat that is often mentioned about the .22LR conversions is the lack of recoil. This same characteristic that makes it especially beneficial for learning also means that it is not a complete substitute for full-power centrefire practice with one's own pistol, because recoil control is a skill that must be practiced if competence with the centrefire pistol is to be assured. For the experienced shooter, especially if cost is a factor, the .22LR conversion is still a nice adjunct.
 
The 22 kit will be an asset and allow plently of practice with the same gun and equipment for rar less money.

You can buy 500 rounds of Blazer for 25 dollars and it works in almost every semi auto ive tried it in.

9mm is gonna cost at least 110 bucks for that same 500 rounds. You do the math.

Putting hits on paper can't be replaced by dry firing, although dry firing is important especially with a Glock.

The AA kit is worth it. It will pay for itself with the price difference in ammo.
 
I use an AA .22lr conversion kit on my G17.
At the very least it will save you lots of $$ on ammo and you will get lots of practice using the trigger reset feature on the Glock. I've been using the kit even more now that I'm "holster certified" at my Club.
Chk the EE often...you should be able to find a kit for around $400 (almost new) with a couple of mags.
 
.22 Training Pistols: Pros & Cons by Todd Louis Green
<http://pistol-training.com/articles/22-training-pistols-pros-cons>
.22 Training Pistols: Pros & Cons

by Todd Louis Green

Using a .22lr pistol as a training aid is nothing new. Conversion kits for 1911-pattern guns have been around for a very long time. In the revolver world, rimfire equivalents to full size duty guns go back even further. A major resurgence of .22 training has come about in response to the 2009 ammunition shortage. SIG-Sauer and other companies now offer factory OEM conversion kits for their most popular pistols. Other companies opt for a dedicated training gun like the upcoming S&W M&P pistol in .22lr or the well established Ruger 22/45.

The twenty-two can certainly be a beneficial tool. A .22 pistol eliminates most of the recoil and blast that can be so intimidating to beginners. For more experienced shooters, the substantially lower price of .22lr ammunition often provides the means for more live fire practice than one might be able to afford with centerfire 9mm, .45 Auto, etc. There are also times and places where a .22 — especially a suppressed .22 — can be used but larger, more powerful, louder pistols might not.

The important thing to keep in mind when practicing with a .22-cal equivalent to your normal pistol is that the .22 has essentially no recoil. Ten year old children can easily tame the kick and muzzle rise of most .22lr pistols. From a training perspective, what this means is that the .22 is not suitable for any training that focuses on the speed of firing multiple shots at a single target. Do not trick yourself into believing otherwise.

Far too many people sacrifice grip and proper sight tracking while simply going spasmodic on the trigger of a twenty-two. Then they falsely believe they can shoot a serious duty or carry gun faster, as well. Instead, that person has started to form bad habits that will actually diminish his speed when handling a centerfire pistol.

Skills you can work on effectively with a .22 equivalent to your normal pistol:

* marksmanship
* strong- and weak-hand only shooting
* draw stroke
* reloads
* transitions
* judgmental shooting
* shooting on the move… With SOM, the line between good .22 training and bad .22 training is definitely easy to cross. But like transition drills, SOM training can benefit from a .22 in terms of learning how to move your feet and position your body for a stable shooting platform on the move.

Skills you should not practice with a .22lr handgun:

* recoil management
* sight tracking
* rapid multiple shots on a single target
* failure drills

Also, the more similarity between your .22 trainer and your standard pistol the more beneficial certain drills will be. While you can get marksmanship benefit from shooting almost anything, having the same trigger system and sights (or better yet, the same identical trigger and sights) will obviously translate into more direct skill building. A heel magazine release and single stack magazine is not giving you 1:1 benefit for your button release double stack pistol reloads. Malfunction clearances with an Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit will be more helpful than doing similar drills with a Ruger 22/45. And so on.

A .22lr training pistol can be an effective and economical way to practice many handgun fundamentals, but misused it can also lead to a very false sense of proficiency. By keeping in mind what a .22 can and cannot mimic, both the beginner and the dedicated shooter can wring real benefits from a sub-caliber practice pistol.

About the author: Todd Louis Green has worked in the firearms industry since 1998, including instructing for the NRA Range, Beretta, and SIG-Sauer. He has over 1,000 hours of formal firearms and combatives training. A 3-time “Advanced” rated shooter at Rogers Shooting School, Todd is also a graduate of the NRA Tactical Pistol Instructor Development program and a 3 division Master-ranked IDPA competitor. Todd is a certified Beretta, Glock, Heckler & Koch, SIG-Sauer, and Smith & Wesson armorer; certified Simunition force-on-force instructor; and certified Emergency First Responder. He is a long time member of IALEFI, IDPA, and USPSA.

Copyright © 2007-2011 TLG Tactical Consulting, LLC or their respective owners. All rights reserved.
<http://pistol-training.com/articles/22-training-pistols-pros-cons>
 
The GSG1911 is a good alternative and not expensive to buy. You get the whole gun for around $400. There are other similar priced stand alone .22LRs as well. I think it is a good idea to have a .22LR for practice. At the very least you can shoot the .22 while allowing the 9mm or .45 to cool down!

JimmieA.
 
A .22lr training pistol can be an effective and economical way to practice many handgun fundamentals, but misused it can also lead to a very false sense of proficiency. By keeping in mind what a .22 can and cannot mimic, both the beginner and the dedicated shooter can wring real benefits from a sub-caliber practice pistol.


....this is why I like to finish my session with about 100rnds of 9mm in the Glock.
 
Thanks for all your feedback!

Another question:
Would you prefer to have a 22LR conversion kit on a Glock,
or a separate 22LR pistol?

Seems like some members prefer to get a separate handgun.
I did not know that GSG 1911 is $400...

Now this makes it harder to decide.

Thanks,
 
Thanks for all your feedback!

Another question:
Would you prefer to have a 22LR conversion kit on a Glock,
or a separate 22LR pistol?

Seems like some members prefer to get a separate handgun.

I bought a Ruger MKiii 5.5" Bull bbl (after getting the G17) to practice with cheaper .22lr. When I bought the AA conversion kit the Ruger got sold.
I don't see myself buying another .22lr HG....
 
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Thanks for all your feedback!

Another question:
Would you prefer to have a 22LR conversion kit on a Glock,
or a separate 22LR pistol?

Seems like some members prefer to get a separate handgun.
I did not know that GSG 1911 is $400...

Now this makes it harder to decide.

Thanks,

I prefer the conversion kit so that you're using the same gun when shooting 9mm or .22 LR. Its about practicing/familiarity with the handling/aiming drills, IAs and stoppages. This becomes important when shooting timed competitions.
 
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Another question: Would you prefer to have a 22LR conversion kit on a Glock, or a separate 22LR pistol?

I'd prefer the conversion kit. The trigger is the same, the operating controls are the same, the sights may be changed to become the same, and the holsters - and, in some cases, the magazine pouches - are the same.
 
I totally disagree on the conversion kits. If you want to shoot competitively put your money into reloading equipment. That allows you to build custom loads that suit you for practice and competition, and makes the sport more affordable. Try to find a used Dillon Square Deal press. Simple to use and a lifetime warranty. The G17 is the most cost effective choice in a 9mm. The pistol is almost indestructible, parts (including mags) are cheap and readily available.
 
I have the Kit for my CZ pistols. Fun to shoot and the CZ kit, due to its design will consume any and all .22LFR ammo. Accuracy is outstanding which is a plus and a minus. You really have to set your targets out to 25 yards to test your abilities with it.

The downside is the kits are now quite expensive and if I had to do it all over again at todays prices I would lean towards a dedicated .22 pistol/revolver. Quality .22 pistols/revolvers can be had for less than some of the kits. I wouldn't concern myself with mimicking my center fire pistol/revolver either. I am not sure for the experienced shooter having identical set-ups aids in your quest to improve your center fire shooting beyond what Todd Green mentions in the above posted article.

Trigger control and proper grip techniques are portable from one gun to another from my experience.

Take Care

Bob
 
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