dollar a box?- try dollar a round for 308 roughly- 10 bucks for 50 in 9mm- the winchester white is quite reasonable and gives you good stuff to reload to - i've been shooting 30 years both new and used, just right out of the box- usually start off with factory but that's to see where the pressures lie and ck the functioning, not to break in the barrel-2 boxes of 20 usually does itRohann said:
9mm luger and parabellum...difference????
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.Canadian made WW2 9mm cartridges were made for use in Sten guns. In Canada, the Inglis Browning pistol came along after the round was standardized. I doubt that anything was done when the design was reverse engineered at Inglis to compensate for the only 9mm ammunition in the Cdn. supply chain. Dominion 9mm ammunition had a warning on the box not to use 9mm Sten gun ammunition in Luger pistols; yet German issue WW2 ammunition was not lower power.
As has been pointed out, many, if not most current 9mm pistols are used by various NATO forces with 9mm NATO spec. ammunition.
Rohann - Breaking in a barrel involves shoot a round and clean, repeat, shoot a few rounds and clean, repeat, shoot a few more rounds and clean, repeat. It is reported that after doing this for the first few dozen rounds the bore will copper foul less, and clean more easily. Some custom barrel makers support the practice, others don't. There are those who believe that break in is more important with a factory barrel than with a custom. As far as break in procedures go, it won't make any difference if you use decent surplus, or white box commercial. If you shoot standard 147gr. milspec ball ammunition, the only thing you will notice is that accuracy will be less than with premium target grade ammunition. Commercial target grade ammunition isn't cheap; equivalent handloads will be just over half the price.
As has been pointed out, many, if not most current 9mm pistols are used by various NATO forces with 9mm NATO spec. ammunition.
Rohann - Breaking in a barrel involves shoot a round and clean, repeat, shoot a few rounds and clean, repeat, shoot a few more rounds and clean, repeat. It is reported that after doing this for the first few dozen rounds the bore will copper foul less, and clean more easily. Some custom barrel makers support the practice, others don't. There are those who believe that break in is more important with a factory barrel than with a custom. As far as break in procedures go, it won't make any difference if you use decent surplus, or white box commercial. If you shoot standard 147gr. milspec ball ammunition, the only thing you will notice is that accuracy will be less than with premium target grade ammunition. Commercial target grade ammunition isn't cheap; equivalent handloads will be just over half the price.
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I agree with what you say about custom barrels. Krieger barrels says that breaking in aren't necessary for their custom barrels, but breaking in factory barrels are a good idea. I'm likely going to be breaking in my barrel with something cheap; any recommendations?tiriaq said:
-Rohann
This is getting a long ways away from 9mm, but, if you use surplus, FNM, MEN, Hirtenberg, IVI, DA, WCC, LC, RA, etc. would be fine. I wouldn't bother with steel cased Chinese or Bulgarian. Federal, Winchester or UMC commercial ball would also be good choices. If you are going to do any amount of target shooting, you must handload.
Kreiger barrels are hand lapped before and after rifling, and this is likely why he does not recommend break in. I don't have Kreigers, but my serious rifles have Schneider, TrueFlight, Rock, S&L barrels on them. They don't take a lot of cleaning. There is certainly no harm in breaking in factory barrels; might do some good. There also might be something to be said for firelapping a factory barrel. David Tubb does this, and he is starting with the best barrels available.
Rohann, if you are interested in accurate rifles, get a subscription to Precision Shooting magazine. You might also go to www.long-range.com. You will find some of the very best shooters from around the world there, including some who also post here.
Kreiger barrels are hand lapped before and after rifling, and this is likely why he does not recommend break in. I don't have Kreigers, but my serious rifles have Schneider, TrueFlight, Rock, S&L barrels on them. They don't take a lot of cleaning. There is certainly no harm in breaking in factory barrels; might do some good. There also might be something to be said for firelapping a factory barrel. David Tubb does this, and he is starting with the best barrels available.
Rohann, if you are interested in accurate rifles, get a subscription to Precision Shooting magazine. You might also go to www.long-range.com. You will find some of the very best shooters from around the world there, including some who also post here.
winchester white box- it's about as cheap as you can get and you won't be caring about your group size anyway- save the brass for reloads down the line- if you go milsurp you may get some berdan primed stuff and you'll have to chuck the brass anyway-i've had lots of fun trying to reload the ivi 7.62- the stuff is hard as heck to resize, then pulls the rim off the case when you get it out of the die- and yes, i lube plenty too- and i've got a DILLON 550 to boot- hence i treat ivi like berdan- chuck it
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tiriaq: Winchester or Federal commercial ball sounds like the safest route to go. Cheap ammo will only be for breaking in, I'm definately going to start reloading before I do any sort of competition; not sure what components I'm going to be using but definately Sierra Matchkings (Remington 700P's seem to like the 175 grains the best).
I'm defiantely interested in accurate rifles (inaccurate rifles really aren't that interesting), but being the senior high school student that I am, I'm more interested in accurate blackguns. Any recommendations as to which magazine to subscribe to? I'm really not interested in BR shooting.
-Rohann
I'm defiantely interested in accurate rifles (inaccurate rifles really aren't that interesting), but being the senior high school student that I am, I'm more interested in accurate blackguns. Any recommendations as to which magazine to subscribe to? I'm really not interested in BR shooting.
-Rohann
