9mm rifle with handgun mags?

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If a rifle takes 9mm magazines intended for a handgun...are you allowed to have 10 rounds? And if so, if the rifle is over the restricted length, is it considered restricted because it can take handgun mags? (Yes, a nice confusing question for you)

What are some rifles that currently fit this profile? And what caliber are they available in? I've only seen a couple 9mm ones that take glock magazines so far.

Thanks ;)
 
JoeCan said:
If a rifle takes 9mm magazines intended for a handgun...are you allowed to have 10 rounds? And if so, if the rifle is over the restricted length, is it considered restricted because it can take handgun mags? (Yes, a nice confusing question for you)

What are some rifles that currently fit this profile? And what caliber are they available in? I've only seen a couple 9mm ones that take glock magazines so far.

Thanks ;)
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What the magazines were designed for is the relevant point. The Olympic arms 9mm for example take glock mags, therefore you can have 10 round glock mags. If there were Olympic arms mags designed for the rifle than they would be pinned at five.

The Berretta storm is a prime example of this. Since it takes model 92 mags it may use them however the CX4 mags issued with the stampings were recalled and are required to be pinned to five rounds.

What is restricted and what is not restricted is irrelevant to mag capacity. Mag capacity is defined and the class of the firearm doesn't exempt nor restrict it further.

The Oly arms AR will always be restricted because it is an AR15 (restricted by name). The Storm however can have a 18.5" barrel put on it and reclassified as non-restricted.
 
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Ah, very interesting. Thanks for that. This is probably the wrong question for this section but being as that it is on the same topic - do you need a ATT for all restricted weapons or just handguns?
 
A rifle is classified as non-restricted, restricted or prohibited without a magazine being present. Nothing changes with respect to a rifle's classification when there is a magazine present. Magazines by themselves may be classed as prohibited devices, and the presence of a firearm is irrelevant. Whether a particular magazine is classed as a rifle magazine or a pistol magazine could be open to interpretation. If you want a ruling on a specific magazine in a particular firearm, contact the CFC.
A Gun Digest would probably illustrate any pistol calibre carbines that are in current production.
 
Ok thanks very much for the information. I didn't know that. I've seen the A3 Flat Top rifle by Olympic Arms. It has non-standard AR upper and lower and therefore cannot be swapped. Is it still a restricted firearm because of it's similarity to standard ARs?
 
Had a look at the Olympic Arms section of the FRT. While there is nothing specifically listed as an "A3 Flat Top rifle", all of Oly Arms offerings are classed as either restricted or prohibited.
 
Some time back here I heard second hand someone was able to have a .50 upper put on a lower and classified as non restricted. Whether or not this is true would decide the following.

Since it takes an AR lower, I was curious to know what kind of alterations the owner had perform to circumvent it being dubbed as an AR-15 variant.

The only two options I could think of was an 80% receiver where the mag well was left in instead of milled out or the lower was somehow permanently attached to the upper. Thinking about the 80% route, there's the issue that it does indeed fit other uppers and could still effectively used as a single shot upper, which would technically still be an AR without means of using a mag. If there were belt uppers available, once again another grey area.

If it were permanently affixed any maintenance or alterations to the lower would be unachievable (or very difficult)

I'd be interested to hear, if the individual did indeed accomplish this how he went about doing it.
 
i think that guy is in the same boat where someone took a nonrestricted firearm and re-verified it as restricted. it has been done but is illegal. no cop will ever go after them unless some kind of shyt happened
 
Cdnshooter has the only non restricted AR as far as I know -- he has the single shot .50 on it -- CFC de-restricted it for him.

I dont understand (or even pretend to understand) the logic behind CFC.
 
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Cdnshooter has the only non restricted AR as far as I know -- he has the single shot .50 on it -- CFC de-restricted it for him.

I dont understand (or even pretend to understand) the logic behind CFC.
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A Psychology Degree is required:runaway: :runaway:
 
KevinB said:
Cdnshooter has the only non restricted AR as far as I know -- he has the single shot .50 on it -- CFC de-restricted it for him.

I dont understand (or even pretend to understand) the logic behind CFC.
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Good Enough. Interesting.
 
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So a single .50 upper might be unrestricted? I've seen a few of these pretty cheap in the states or would it not be importable because of the ban on export of .50? I saw that there's a AR-180B that is non-restricted...why is that if it's an AR variant?
 
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