9mm Winclean... is it good ammo? Good brass for reloading?

[CanuckShooter]

I have searched a lot on this site for info, but find that some swear by this ammo, and others have had problems, so I am still a bit lost.

I am contemplating picking up 1000rds of Winclean 9mm ammo and was wondering if you guys could tell me if it's good ammo or not, and also, just as important... if it is good brass for reloading.

I know there are the 115gr, 124gr, and 147gr bullets in Winclean. Is there any reliability or quality difference between using any of those 3 bullet weights?

There is nowhere around me that sells it, so i can't try any first, and obviously 1000rds is a lot, and half the reason I am getting it is for the brass (it will only have been fired through my gun, I have seen what it has gone through etc etc). I just don't want to end up buying 1000rds of ammo that does not have reloading friendly brass, or is not reliable (as I have read about a few problems using the search function on this site).

The ammo will be shot through a Glock17.

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[orgrabbit]

It has crimped in primers. Not worth the hassle to reload. That's my experience.

 

[CanuckShooter]

Crimped primer.... what disadvantage to reloading is that? I'm new to this lol

Military cartridges are crimped too right?

So that is widely regarded as an undesirable reloading characteristic for brass?

 

[pc9]

I have shot about 10,000rnds through both my g 19 and my g 17.
I feed them nothing but 147 grn.Both eat it up like candy
Never had any issuses what so ever.I never reloaded but a buddy of mine takes all my brass and he has never mentioned if it was good or bad.

 

[daBear]

Crimped primer? Since when? I have loaded thousands and yet to have a crimped primer. Maybe on some FC NT or military/S&B(sealed) or I'm strangely lucky but no crimped primers in WinClean for me to date....
If the ammo was as good as the brass it would be terrific, but it does have some FTF issues. Probably no worse than any other I expect but not unusual to have 1 dud in a box....
dB

 

[CanuckShooter]

It has crimped in primers. Not worth the hassle to reload. That's my experience.

So, if I were to use PLAIN Winchester White Box (NOT Winclean) I would have NO chance of running into any crimped primers? Just want to make sure as I don't know if I want to take the chance with having problems reloading the Winclean and I can get WWB from Marstar for a tad bit more ($0.06 more per round if I buy a thousand rounds).

Think it would be worth it to just spring for the WWB at Marstar? The shipping they quoted to me is actually a LOT cheaper than what I was anticipating.

 

[joe-nwt]

Crimped primer.... what disadvantage to reloading is that? I'm new to this lol

Military cartridges are crimped too right?

So that is widely regarded as an undesirable reloading characteristic for brass?

Soooo, what reloading manual do you have that does not mention primer crimps?

 

[CanuckShooter]

I'm sure the Lyman manual that my dad owns mentions it, I don't own one myself as he has all the equipment. I do plan on borrowing it to read before I start reloading 9mm on his machine (which won't be for a long time). Even still, I prefer a high volume of first hand accounts of what brand of ammo lines use crimped primers as opposed to what's written in a book by a single author as they either don't include such information, and if they do, it becomes outdated in a short amount of time. Whether it's shooting products, guitar equipment, or any consumer product for that matter, I have RARELY found that the 'experts' possess the wealth of knowledge that they would have me believe. There are some that truly are experts, but they are few and far between IMHO. I have always been disappointed in that respect, and have found forums like CGN light years ahead of most of that information since there is usually so many (what I consider) important details left out of books, and fairly generalized and vague descriptions, so I find there are lots of questions that are left unanswered. That's not to say I take everything I read on forums as gospel, I realize that it is still the internet and any can post whatever BS they want lol

Maybe my gf is right. Maybe I am just borderline OCD and need to research every aspect of everything I do to a 'T'..... LOL

 

[joe-nwt]

I was suggesting that maybe all your questions regarding the primer crimps might be answered in a reloading manual. (Required reading before you start reloading.) NOT which brands have them or not.

 

[tigrr]

When I started shooting, I bought 1000 9mm winclean factory rounds.
Since then using that brass I have gone through 14000 bullets used to reload that 1000 brass. I dare say that some of that brass has been reloaded more than 20 times and is still going strong. I would reload 200 go out and shoot them off, bring them home, polish, reload and go out and blast off those 200 again, then repeat.
Don't +P them and they will last a long time.

 

[CanuckShooter]

So I pulled out the few boxes of 9mm I have. 3 of the boxes were Winclean and were NOT crimped, whereas the 1 box of plain WWB (non Winclean) WAS crimped.

The Winclean is not marked WIN NT either, it just says WIN 9mm Luger, and the crimped WWB is labelled WCC 98 with a hole with a cross in the middle which I have read indicates a crimped primer.

I guess there is no method to their madness.

 

[sunray]

Crimped in primers are a nuisance. Once the crimp is removed, the cases are reloaded the same way as any other case. However, milsurp rifles cases are a wee bit thicker than commercial cases, so you have to reduce the load by 10%.
The 9mm uses small pistol primers anyway. However, if you ever buy a .45, don't get 'em mixed in with regular brass. WinClean .45 ACP cases use a small pistol primer.