a bit of a rant

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:mad: :mad: if i could say #### here i would... i just spent over an hour trying to print............. YES I SAID PRINT....... a friken permission form to allow a fellow gun nutz to hunt our property....
like it,s our property:rolleyes: ... why the #### do i need to be told that the only accepted piece of permission from the ministry is one of there form,s:mad: is this another way of .......THEM....... who ever the #### them are to tell me how to hunt and who i can allow to hunt on our property??
far as i care.......... if i allow so and so to hunt my land... that should be it..
next will be:eek: can i see your papers to get a ride in my car..
#### all them #### suckers...





ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i feel better
rant off.......
 
fogducker said:
:mad: :mad: if i could say f**k here i would... i just spent over an hour trying to print............. YES I SAID PRINT....... a friken permission form to allow a fellow gun nutz to hunt our property....
like it,s our property:rolleyes: ... why the f**k do i need to be told that the only accepted piece of permission from the ministry is one of there form,s:mad: is this another way of .......THEM....... who ever the f**k them are to tell me how to hunt and who i can allow to hunt on our property??
far as i care.......... if i allow so and so to hunt my land... that should be it..
next will be:eek: can i see your papers to get a ride in my car..
f**k all them CSs...





ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i feel better
rant off.......
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If you really think you own your property try not paying taxes for a few years.;)
 
This form is not necessary in most cases. There are a few townships in Ontario that you require written permission but in all others unless it is posted that you need written permission just get verbal from people. My Dad just got some property and posted no hunting without written permission just so he knows who is hunting and has rules for the guys (ie leave a truck at the house, for safety sake so nobody walks through a deer drive). He has made business cards, you fill out the name and the dates and the game and you are done, that would hold up, mind you I am his son and never have anthing written but my cell phone works there and I can get a hold of him anytime.
 
i usualy just ask permission from the owner in the summer then in the fall reaffirm the permission and if i get anything i make sure they gets some of the meat and not the ground but actual steaks or roasts and a nice x-mas card with a thank you i have never had a problem getting or keeping permission to hunt on private land
 
Here's the reg in question.
I see nothing that specifically requires WRITTEN permission.
REGS:: (2005 version)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Trespassing
A hunting licence does not give hunters the right to enter
private property.
ALWAYS ask for permission and obey signs. Signs may be in
three formats:
• Red or yellow markings of such a size that a circle of 10
cm (4 inches) can be contained wholly within them. Red
means no entry is permitted. Yellow markings mean no
entry is permitted except for activities that may be allowed
• Graphic representation of a permitted or prohibited activity
• A written sign.
If it is not evident what activities are allowed, ask for permission
from the landowner. Not all land is signed. Unsigned lands may
be private land as well. (If property is fenced, no trespassing is
permitted without permission of the landowner.) It is your
responsibility to find out who owns the land you wish to hunt
on and obtain permission. If unsure, stay out. Positive
landowner/hunter relationships are important to the
future of hunting in Ontario.
Be sure you are familiar with the Occupiers’ Liability Act
and the Trespass to Property Act before entering private land.
(You may obtain these two Acts from Publications Ontario
or online at http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/tocBrowseCL_E.asp?lang=en).
You will also be violating the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act if
the landowner asks you to leave and you do not do so
immediately, or if you do not obey signs prohibiting trespassing,
hunting or fishing.
In any county or regional municipality you may not hunt in a
party of more than 12 persons without the landowner’s
permission.
Before hunting on Indian Reserves, ask the permission of the
Band Council.
If you wish to hunt deer on Barrie Island, Cockburn Island or
Manitoulin Island, you must have with you a valid deer licence
and the written consent of the landowner on the form provided
by MNR. If you wish to hunt moose in WMU 65, you must
have a moose licence, the appropriate validation tag and written
consent of the landowner on the form provided by MNR.
 
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That's what its coming to.....writing everything down for some petty foggin' lawyer to look at in the event something goes wrong.

If its your land, your word to someone should be enough. This country is going to hell, (maybe even Vancouver), in a handbasket when a fella cant give his word and have it mean something.....

SOLD! That four-letter word on this site instills more confidence in my fellow man to me than all the bullsh*t stuff the governments come up with to "protect" us. SOLD! a man's word that he is making a decision that he will stick to.....I think them lawyers, politicians, are all lying no good CSs (I like that one fogducker and im gonna use it)......

I feel for ya 'fog .....
 
huntinstuff said:
That's what its coming to.....writing everything down for some petty foggin' lawyer to look at in the event something goes wrong.

If its your land, your word to someone should be enough. This country is going to hell, (maybe even Vancouver), in a handbasket when a fella cant give his word and have it mean something.....

SOLD! That four-letter word on this site instills more confidence in my fellow man to me than all the bullsh*t stuff the governments come up with to "protect" us. SOLD! a man's word that he is making a decision that he will stick to.....I think them lawyers, politicians, are all lying no good CSs (I like that one fogducker and im gonna use it)......

I feel for ya 'fog .....
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Randy...dont thank me for any short forms.... as i was pissed and took my time to type out the long form:redface: .. sometimes it pays to be censored;)
 
John Y Cannuck said:
Here's the reg in question.
I see nothing that specifically requires WRITTEN permission.
REGS:: (2005 version)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Trespassing
A hunting licence does not give hunters the right to enter
private property.
ALWAYS ask for permission and obey signs. Signs may be in
three formats:
• Red or yellow markings of such a size that a circle of 10
cm (4 inches) can be contained wholly within them. Red
means no entry is permitted. Yellow markings mean no
entry is permitted except for activities that may be allowed
• Graphic representation of a permitted or prohibited activity
• A written sign.
If it is not evident what activities are allowed, ask for permission
from the landowner. Not all land is signed. Unsigned lands may
be private land as well. (If property is fenced, no trespassing is
permitted without permission of the landowner.) It is your
responsibility to find out who owns the land you wish to hunt
on and obtain permission. If unsure, stay out. Positive
landowner/hunter relationships are important to the
future of hunting in Ontario.
Be sure you are familiar with the Occupiers’ Liability Act
and the Trespass to Property Act before entering private land.
(You may obtain these two Acts from Publications Ontario
or online at http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/tocBrowseCL_E.asp?lang=en).
You will also be violating the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act if
the landowner asks you to leave and you do not do so
immediately, or if you do not obey signs prohibiting trespassing,
hunting or fishing.
In any county or regional municipality you may not hunt in a
party of more than 12 persons without the landowner’s
permission.
Before hunting on Indian Reserves, ask the permission of the
Band Council.
If you wish to hunt deer on Barrie Island, Cockburn Island or
Manitoulin Island, you must have with you a valid deer licence
and the written consent of the landowner on the form provided
by MNR. If you wish to hunt moose in WMU 65, you must
have a moose licence, the appropriate validation tag and written
consent of the landowner on the form provided by MNR.
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I think JC has it right! "NO written permission required", and as everyone has said... and it is in the safety regulations " ( always ask landowners permission)
 
mommabear said:
I think JC has it right! "NO written permission required", and as everyone has said... and it is in the safety regulations " ( always ask landowners permission)
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mommabear:D could you be a sweety and print me off a few copies of the forms:)
please and thank you
 
Well - As a former land owner near Lake Simcoe - it was customary to provide written permission to visiting hunters, as I often did. When questioning some of the locals, it was expressed that the CO's request this in the area. I suspect the reason for this is the substantial hunting pressure on land so close to TO, and the inevitable squabbles that occur - people hunting without permission (called "highwaymen") and multiple parties hunting on the same land, not realizing the landowner overbooked.
This was a handful of years ago. I was aware that there were MNR forms available as a convenience, however, I just wrote a note and signed it. In a way it was a good thing, it allowed me to keep track of things - lots of folks were asking!
 
The permission forms are for convenience only, not mandatory. Sometimes its nice to have that in your pocket if you meet someone on the property who thinks they have the right to be there, but can't prove it. As far as I know the only mandatory permission slips are for hunting moose in wmu 65, which is also archery only, and a congested area as well.
 
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