A definitive guide for Berry's Bullets?

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Does anybody know if there is such a thing as a comprehensive loading database for Berry's Bullets?
I just bought a couple thousand projectiles for .40S&W in 2 different weights and I find it frustrating that they don't publish data.
I'm not against working loads up myself, just hate that nobody publishes data for plated bullets, just guesstimates.
 
as with all new bullets, you should work up a load to see what your gun likes. generally you use cast data, but i use what ever data i find for the same weight or as close to the same weight as i can get. even if they did publish data for them you still can't expect to get the same performance from a different gun.
 
I use jacketed bullet data as long as it is under 1200 fps. This comes from their website. They also have a thick plated bullet which is good for 1400 fps.
 
Snakehunter said:
Does anybody know if there is such a thing as a comprehensive loading database for Berry's Bullets?
I just bought a couple thousand projectiles for .40S&W in 2 different weights and I find it frustrating that they don't publish data.
I'm not against working loads up myself, just hate that nobody publishes data for plated bullets, just guesstimates.
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The Speer reloading manual has load data for their plated TMJ bullets which have a thicker plating, and the load data is the same as their fully jacketed bullets. Meaning the velocity is governed by the thickness of the copper plating and some plated pullets have thinner plating. Just keep in mind that plated bullets are used more for reduced practice loads or for reduced velocity competition loads.

Data for Berry's Preferred Plated Bullets

FAQ: How thick is the "jacket" on your bullets?
Depending upon the caliber, the thickness of the plating on our bullets ranges from 3.5 up to 8 thousandths of an inch of plating on each side. This is thicker than paper and ensures no lead in your bore. The bullets designed for higher velocities (45-70, 500 S&W etc.) have the thickest plating.

FAQ: Load Data for Berry's Preferred Plated Bullets
http://www.berrysmfg.com/faq-q21-c1-Load_Data_for_Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Bullets.aspx

FAQ: How fast can I shoot these bullets?
http://www.berrysmfg.com/faq-q10-c1-How_fast_can_I_shoot_these_bullets.aspx


Rainier Ballistics

We, at Rainier Ballistics, recommend using Jacketed bullet load data when loading our bullets. There is no need for adjustment when using Jacketed bullet load data. Our bullets are jacketed using an electroplating process and are softer than traditionally jacketed bullets; Be sur to use ONLY load data that is published in a reputable reloading manual.

***If you only have access to traditionally jacketed load data, we recommend a starting powder charge directly between the listed minimum and maximum load, and you may use published load data found in reputable reloading manuals.

http://www.rainierballistics.com/loaddata.php

Below Rainier plated .40 bullets and a Glock 22 with a factory barrel.

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Did you check Berry's web site?

FAQ: Load Data for Berry's Preferred Plated Bullets
Currently published load data is limited to some calibers by Accurate, Western Powders and Hodgdon. We are working with these companies to get data published for all of our bullets.

We recommend using hard cast load data or start with mid-range jacketed data. Make sure data is below 1250fps unless you are using a Thick-Plated bullet that we list a higher max velocity for like the 9mm 124gr HBRN-TP that can be shot to 1500fps in open class guns like a .38 Super. Keep in mind that since our plated bullet has the same pressure curve as a hard cast bullet, the published cast data will be very close to what you will get with our plated bullets. If you use Jacketed data with our plated bullets you can get from 5% - 8% increase in velocity using that data.

Other than the data from Western and Accurate for the 9mm, .40S&W and Hodgdon .40S&W there is no printed data available.

For further questions you can email sales@ berrysmfg.com
 
sunray said:
Load for the bullet weight. Who made 'em doesn't matter.
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RePete said:
It does to a degree, the ogive may be different and the OAL may have to be shorter.
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The plating thickness governs how fast you can shoot a plated bullet.

If you would have read the links I posted from the makers of plated bullets you wouldn't be giving out bad advice. This why I posted the links right from the horses mouth so the OP wouldn't think my answer was a wild ass guess.

And RePete you are living up to your screen name and repeated what I just posted, meaning your post was redundant, redundant, redundant................

RePete said:
Did you check Berry's web site?

FAQ: Load Data for Berry's Preferred Plated Bullets
Currently published load data is limited to some calibers by Accurate, Western Powders and Hodgdon. We are working with these companies to get data published for all of our bullets.

We recommend using hard cast load data or start with mid-range jacketed data. Make sure data is below 1250fps unless you are using a Thick-Plated bullet that we list a higher max velocity for like the 9mm 124gr HBRN-TP that can be shot to 1500fps in open class guns like a .38 Super. Keep in mind that since our plated bullet has the same pressure curve as a hard cast bullet, the published cast data will be very close to what you will get with our plated bullets. If you use Jacketed data with our plated bullets you can get from 5% - 8% increase in velocity using that data.

Other than the data from Western and Accurate for the 9mm, .40S&W and Hodgdon .40S&W there is no printed data available.

For further questions you can email sales@ berrysmfg.com
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bigedp51 said:
The plating thickness governs how fast you can shoot a plated bullet.

If you would have read the links I posted from the makers of plated bullets you wouldn't be giving out bad advice. This why I posted the links right from the horses mouth so the OP wouldn't think my answer was a wild ass guess.

And RePete you are living up to your screen name and repeated what I just posted, meaning your post was redundant, redundant, redundant................
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Where's the bad advice? None that Sunray nor I gave.

Plus lose the smart a$$ remarks.
 
I've loaded berry's and campro's using jacketed loads in 9 45 and full power 44mag with no issues what so ever even played with the col to find what fed best just gotta do the work up
 
RePete said:
Where's the bad advice? None that Sunray nor I gave.

Plus lose the smart a$$ remarks.
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The last thing I would do would do is associate my name with anything sunray said, when plating thickness governs muzzle velocity.

And the seating depth depends on the pistol the plated bullet will be shot in, and not load data for someone else's jacketed bullet.

How to determine Max OAL for a CZ Pistol (read Wobbly's posting on finding your overall length)

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

And the OP asked for "A definitive guide for Berry's Bullets?" which were in the posting I provided and you didn't read.
 
I didn't want to start a pissing contest here, merely look for something more concrete than what's on the Berry's website.
If you look at a lot of manuals it states that you kind of ballpark your starting load between that of lead and that of jacketed.
With the millions of plated bullets produced I was kinda expecting more! Like I stated, I don't mind working loads up, just would have preferred a more certain starting point. Happy reloading to all and thanks for the advice and information.
Glen
 
Snakehunter said:
I didn't want to start a pissing contest here, merely look for something more concrete than what's on the Berry's website.
If you look at a lot of manuals it states that you kind of ballpark your starting load between that of lead and that of jacketed.
With the millions of plated bullets produced I was kinda expecting more! Like I stated, I don't mind working loads up, just would have preferred a more certain starting point. Happy reloading to all and thanks for the advice and information.
Glen
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Glen, me thinks you are making too much about a start up load!
Just rely more on your sense of judgement. If two manuals show two grains difference in a starting load for the same powder and same
weight bullet as you are using, split the difference, load two or three, shoot them and go on from there.
In other words, quit worrying, load and shoot more.
 
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