A few questions on neck turning products...

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I am going to start neck turning my cases. I am going to purchase a gauge for case neck concentricity, case neck thickness and bullet run-out. I was wondering what advise or input you guys have on some of these products and which you reccomend:




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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0007626400
REDDING RELOADING PRODUCTS CASE NECK GAUGE W/ 1" X .001" DIAL INDICATOR $71.10


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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0004487310
RCBS RELOADING PRODUCTS CASE MASTER GAUGING TOOL $93.63


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http://www.natchezss.com/Category.c...le=Forster Co-Ax Case and Cartridge Inspector
Forster Co-Ax Case and Cartridge Inspector $72.88



and also what's the difference in these two forester products, my understanding is that one is hand held and the other is an assessory for the trimmer, is that correct?

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http://www.natchezss.com/Category.c...odTitle=Forster Hand Held Outside Neck Turner
Forster Hand Held Outside Neck Turner $56.22

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http://www.natchezss.com/Category.c...odTitle=Forster Outside Neck Turner No Pilots
Forster Outside Neck Turner No Pilots $30.59


Thanks!
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Some time back, I picked up a bit of an old time jewel for a Varmint rifle. An old custom Winchester High Wall chambered in 219 Donaldson Wasp. Brass is scarce to say the least but easily made from 30-30 so anticipating the possibility and need of having to 'touch up' the neck thickness, I ordered an RCBS Hand Case Neck Turner. Admittedly, I haven't found cause to use it much but with what little I have used it, seems to work okay. It looks to be very similar in construction to the Forester Hand Held Outside Neck Turner you have pictured.
 
I use a Sinclair/Wilson Trimmer
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But if I had to do it over again I think I would go with the Redding Trimmer
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K&M Neck Turning tools.
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RCBS Casemaster tool (Works well for me)
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Although, I do like the looks of the Redding Case Neck Gauge. It may be more accurate for checking neck thickness than the Casemaster, but I like the casemaster for checking bullet runout.
 
So you're down to 0,5 MOA and you want to improve. These may (not at all sure!) come in easy.

If you're not there yet, don't waste your money, work the other factors: powder selection, charge (gr.), selection of bullet, case length, COAL, crimp force and what's going on your mind when squeezing off the shots.

My best two recent acquisitions: A Lee case length gauge for every caliber I reload + Lee Zip Trim; and Lee Factory Crimp dies for every caliber I reload.

Luke: "I don't believe it!" Yoda: "That is why you failed".
 
Yeah I like the Lee Factory Crimp dies as well.

I'm still wondering do all these gauges do the same thing or does one have an advantage over the others?

If I'm going to turn the outside of necks, should I ream in inside as well?
 
You may find that the neck turning pilot is a bit large for easy insertion into the case neck. If this turns out to be the case, Sinclair International sells a case neck expander with interchangeable mandrels from .17 to .50 caliber to solve the problem. Forester will also provide you with custom sized pilots for their neck turning tool, but I don't recall the price.
 
What I like about the Lee case length gauge is it trims all cases to same length, nominal. For example, 2.005" for the 308win. If you wait to find cases over the "max case length" and trim those to 2.005, then you wind up with cases varying 0.010. For a cartridge that head spaces on the case mouth (9mm, .357 SIG) that' even more important.

Does any one have documented evidence that turning the case neck for concentricity and case wall thickness actually improved accuracy?
 
Opinion only, but I went away from trimmer-mounted neck turning, mine was RCBS, in favor of a turner only....just seemed to do a better job with less hassle.
In my case, the Sinclair tool.....and a Forster one for my 50...

For concentricity....I like the Sinclair....nice bearings to roll the brass on...less "skipping" when trying to measure.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
 
I forgot to add.....if you order the K&M Neck turner, be sure to order the exapnder tools as well.

I have tried using the Sinclair expanders with the K&M turning tools and they are slightly different sizes. Just small enough to make getting the case on the mandrel a real biatch.

Whatever neck turner you decide on, you should buy the expander tools by the same company.
 
For turning case necks, sinclair sells a kit which includes turner and a die to size neck first as well as a turning mandrel for your cal. All you need to turn necks properly $90 US or so.
 
ben hunchak said:
For turning case necks, Sinclair sells a kit which includes turner and a die to size neck first as well as a turning mandrel for your cal. All you need to turn necks properly $90 US or so.
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I have one of the Sinclair kits it cost more then $90, but you can get a kit from them any where from $90 to $210 US. Mine works really well is quick and easy to adjust. I have heard a lot of good things about the K&M neck turning products.
 
The sinclair:

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Sinclair Concentricity Gage with dial indicator $99.95



"The Sinclair Concentricity Gauge is used to measure runout by rotating the case or loaded round on two sets of bearings that are captured in anodized aluminum blocks"

I suppose this is unique and is the major different.
 
Archibald said:
The sinclair:

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Sinclair Concentricity Gage with dial indicator $99.95



"The Sinclair Concentricity Gauge is used to measure runout by rotating the case or loaded round on two sets of bearings that are captured in anodized aluminum blocks"

I suppose this is unique and is the major different.
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Does anyone know if the sinclair concentricity gauge has a metal or aluminuim base? I just want to make sure that it isn't plastic...
 
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