Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
I am a huge fan of the Mosin Nagant.
The design, the simplicity, the unsurpassed reliability regardless of conditions or climate.
However I've chased the dragon that is accuracy and the Mosin Nagant rifle lol
I tried a small experiment this weekend at the gun range.
Looking at balistic charts of the 7.62 x 54R cartridge fired from the M44 carbine I noticed that at 25 meters your POA and POI will be the same as at aprox 200 meters as the bullet reaches the apex of its trajectory around 100 meters and starts to drop over distance and it drops fast. It's a big fat slow moving projectile with not much to lend to a flat trajectory at all, similar to the .308 Win.
So I zeroed my Mosin M44 at 25 meters using standard 147gr Surplus. Bayonet extended of course!
I managed about a 1" group at 25 meters (short distance sniper over here
)
Adjusted for windage by moving the front site post and got her right in line. She was still shooting about 2-3" high at 25 meters with the rear sight set at 100 meters or lowest setting.
I moved back to the 100 meter line and shot a number of groups with the standard 147gr surplus, I was really on that day and managed a couple very impressive groups. The top of the pile was a 5 round grouping that was about 2.5"!! All groups averaged about 6-7" high at this distance.
My M44 is in great shape, 1944 Ishevsk with a mint bore. I know this is crucial to begin with if you're going to expect anything out of a Mosin for accuracy.
Getting to the point, I brought along some quality commercial brass cased 182 gr ammunition. I shot 10 rounds at the same target, same rifle, same distance. Walked down to the target and it looked like someone had blasted at it with a shotgun!
What is the twist rate of the Mosin rifle barrels?
Has anyone had similar experiences shooting heavier grain projectiles out of theirs?
I couldn't believe the difference, I expected deviation from the 147gr surplus but it was a sewer lid sized grouping and completely erratic.
I had the exact same experience with my old Mosin 91/30.
I have heard of people on these forums saying they use the Mosin for hunting with a heavier grain projectile even 200gr+!
Anyone else have similar experiences or is it just my M44 that refuses to stabilize anything heavier than good old 147gr surplus?
The design, the simplicity, the unsurpassed reliability regardless of conditions or climate.
However I've chased the dragon that is accuracy and the Mosin Nagant rifle lol
I tried a small experiment this weekend at the gun range.
Looking at balistic charts of the 7.62 x 54R cartridge fired from the M44 carbine I noticed that at 25 meters your POA and POI will be the same as at aprox 200 meters as the bullet reaches the apex of its trajectory around 100 meters and starts to drop over distance and it drops fast. It's a big fat slow moving projectile with not much to lend to a flat trajectory at all, similar to the .308 Win.
So I zeroed my Mosin M44 at 25 meters using standard 147gr Surplus. Bayonet extended of course!
I managed about a 1" group at 25 meters (short distance sniper over here
)Adjusted for windage by moving the front site post and got her right in line. She was still shooting about 2-3" high at 25 meters with the rear sight set at 100 meters or lowest setting.
I moved back to the 100 meter line and shot a number of groups with the standard 147gr surplus, I was really on that day and managed a couple very impressive groups. The top of the pile was a 5 round grouping that was about 2.5"!! All groups averaged about 6-7" high at this distance.
My M44 is in great shape, 1944 Ishevsk with a mint bore. I know this is crucial to begin with if you're going to expect anything out of a Mosin for accuracy.
Getting to the point, I brought along some quality commercial brass cased 182 gr ammunition. I shot 10 rounds at the same target, same rifle, same distance. Walked down to the target and it looked like someone had blasted at it with a shotgun!
What is the twist rate of the Mosin rifle barrels?
Has anyone had similar experiences shooting heavier grain projectiles out of theirs?
I couldn't believe the difference, I expected deviation from the 147gr surplus but it was a sewer lid sized grouping and completely erratic.
I had the exact same experience with my old Mosin 91/30.
I have heard of people on these forums saying they use the Mosin for hunting with a heavier grain projectile even 200gr+!
Anyone else have similar experiences or is it just my M44 that refuses to stabilize anything heavier than good old 147gr surplus?
