Says people who buy Norincos only say they are good, to convince themselves that they bought some thing good. Is this true? Because I wanna buy something that has a Nork frame but "Name Brand" everything else.
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A friend of mine who is a member of this board...
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People who bought Norinco's didn't spend that much so they don't have to defend their purchase. Noboby will claim they are the best gun of a particular model, but they are probably the best value. Especially one that's been tweaked up by a pro.
Why yes, its a vast conspiracy, with secret handshakes and everything.
If you are uncertain about something with a Norinco frame, and brand name everything else, why not just get a brand name frame too? Don't worry about it, get whatever you want. If you know someone who is knowledgeable and experienced get their opinion; just remember that everyone can have an opinion. Doesn't mean they are all worthwhile.
Does it make sense to get a Norinco, and replace everything but the frame? It might, but you should consider what if anything is being gained by doing so.
If you are uncertain about something with a Norinco frame, and brand name everything else, why not just get a brand name frame too? Don't worry about it, get whatever you want. If you know someone who is knowledgeable and experienced get their opinion; just remember that everyone can have an opinion. Doesn't mean they are all worthwhile.Does it make sense to get a Norinco, and replace everything but the frame? It might, but you should consider what if anything is being gained by doing so.
Every brand name will have lemons, not just Norinco. if you visit the EE forum and you will found people don't happy with their brand name gun and sell them too. Most of the case a little work added to your Nrinco pistol and they will serve you just fine and you don't have to replace everything. Of course you may have to learn some basic knowledge about 1911 and there are a load of 1911 man for you to ask questions. Ruger 10-22 has to replace almost everything to get them work but people say 10-22 is a good gun .
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Whatever, I am tired of the Norinco debate. I have a NP30 that has 5000 rounds at least down the spout and is still a laser beam. I have HKs, Colts, FNs, S&Ws and Norincos. There are turds in every manufacturers line up, so avoid them.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
Dont buy anything unless it will make you happy. If you dont think about it as you lay your head down at night, dream about it when you are sleeping and know you NEED it when you wake up then maybe you should wait for omething better to come along.
I have a few Norincos and a few brand names guns. They each suit a role they were bought to fill. And I love them all. There are lemons made by all factories. So say what you will about any manufacturer.
Just buy what makes you happy and fits you like a glove. Anything less will leave you feeling the regret and empty space in your bank account.
Of course if the ONE THING you truly want is out of your price range and norinco makes a version, even though its not as pretty, you will probably still love it. It will be yours and you can tweak it all you want. And that is worth alot right there. I guess its a bit of a paradox in that situation tho. Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush, or is better to save up and spend more of your money on that one thing a little later down the road?
I guess you will have to decide that much.
I have a few Norincos and a few brand names guns. They each suit a role they were bought to fill. And I love them all. There are lemons made by all factories. So say what you will about any manufacturer.
Just buy what makes you happy and fits you like a glove. Anything less will leave you feeling the regret and empty space in your bank account.
Of course if the ONE THING you truly want is out of your price range and norinco makes a version, even though its not as pretty, you will probably still love it. It will be yours and you can tweak it all you want. And that is worth alot right there. I guess its a bit of a paradox in that situation tho. Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush, or is better to save up and spend more of your money on that one thing a little later down the road?
I guess you will have to decide that much.
tiriaq said:Why yes, its a vast conspiracy, with secret handshakes and everything.
Hey, dont shoot the messenger... I am just repeating what my friend said with no judgement made on the accuracy of the statement, I am asking for your opinions of my friend's opinion...
Russian_Babushka:
Don't buy ONE, buy TWO of them ! LOL
That's my advice for the M14 and the NP29.... I bought 2 of the M14's and immediately stripped the barrels and all parts from them. I replaced the Norinco parts with USGI goodies accumulated in 2002 and 2003 (before OIF started and cranked the M14 parts prices skyward).
Then like a stupididiot, I sold both of the USGI built-up Norc recievers.
Now I'm on my 2nd NP29 (dummy I was, sold the first NP29) and I ain't lettin' this one go... (thanks Timglayn) and I'm also on my 2nd Norinco 1911 .45 ACP.
Buy what works for you and your budget.
Barney
Don't buy ONE, buy TWO of them ! LOL
That's my advice for the M14 and the NP29.... I bought 2 of the M14's and immediately stripped the barrels and all parts from them. I replaced the Norinco parts with USGI goodies accumulated in 2002 and 2003 (before OIF started and cranked the M14 parts prices skyward).
Then like a stupididiot, I sold both of the USGI built-up Norc recievers.
Now I'm on my 2nd NP29 (dummy I was, sold the first NP29) and I ain't lettin' this one go... (thanks Timglayn) and I'm also on my 2nd Norinco 1911 .45 ACP.
Buy what works for you and your budget.
Barney
I always rear my ugly head when these threads get started, because I am NOT a convert of the Cult of North China Industries, and I would hate to see anyone lulled into believing that Norinco is universally a "good enough" manufacturer.
This is based purely on my own experience, not on rumour control, or wishful thinking...
I had a 1911. Kept it for about a year. Was disappointed with accuracy, reliability, and rust-resistance. Gave the pistol to my wife, and she decided after six months that she didn't like it either.
The 1911 made by Norc is touted as being one of their better products. I was really, really disappointed. Yes, they are inexpensive, but I have to ask (again):
Why spend $350 on a piece of crap that won't cycle reliably, when you could spend $500 and get a really good used pistol of several other brands?
I have been accused of being a gun snob by those that have fallen in love with Norc, but I really am not that kind of guy (I buy my jeans at costco, and drive a chev aveo hatchback, for goodness sake!)... I just get really sick by those that HAVE had good experiences with Norinco insisting that it simply isn't possible that I could have had a bad one.
Good luck with whatever you get... The main thing is to put rounds downrange!!
Cheers,
Neal
This is based purely on my own experience, not on rumour control, or wishful thinking...
I had a 1911. Kept it for about a year. Was disappointed with accuracy, reliability, and rust-resistance. Gave the pistol to my wife, and she decided after six months that she didn't like it either.
The 1911 made by Norc is touted as being one of their better products. I was really, really disappointed. Yes, they are inexpensive, but I have to ask (again):
Why spend $350 on a piece of crap that won't cycle reliably, when you could spend $500 and get a really good used pistol of several other brands?
I have been accused of being a gun snob by those that have fallen in love with Norc, but I really am not that kind of guy (I buy my jeans at costco, and drive a chev aveo hatchback, for goodness sake!)... I just get really sick by those that HAVE had good experiences with Norinco insisting that it simply isn't possible that I could have had a bad one.
Good luck with whatever you get... The main thing is to put rounds downrange!!
Cheers,
Neal
"...Norincos and a few brand names..." Um, Norinco, is a brand name.
"...accuracy, reliability, and rust-resistance..." Even a BNIB Colt will be a jam-o-matic if it's not maintained and used with good mags and ammo. Norincos are popular because of their price. Period.
"...accuracy, reliability, and rust-resistance..." Even a BNIB Colt will be a jam-o-matic if it's not maintained and used with good mags and ammo. Norincos are popular because of their price. Period.
Those of us of riper years can remember when Winchester redesigned their product line, and the wailing over loss of quality was loud and long. With hindsight, it is obvious that while the post-64 models may have been esthetically lacking, compared to their predecessors, they were perfectly good guns.
Norincos, on the other hand, can have serious warts. Quality control is erratic. Attention to detail, and evidence of pride in workmanship is frequently lacking. There are too many examples of it being very obvious that the folks making these guns just don't care.
Modern mass produced firearms are not the product of skilled gunmakers working at their benches. They are industrial products. QC is determined by the manufacturing process. Norinco firearms can represent good value for the money. But they can also be almost works in progress that require tuning and adjustment by the buyer. What other manufacturer delivers rifles that may need to have their barrels retorqued so that the barrels are indexed properly, or which will accept industry standard FIELD gauges?
I own 2 Norinco firearms. There are others that I wouldn't take as a gift. Some of the ones that I sold through my business were embarrassing when they were examined in detail. They shot OK, but they were extremely crude.
Cooey firearms were made to fit a lower priced market niche. Cooeys never exhibited the sloppiness and crudity that is sometimes seen in Norincos.
I agree with Hungry in his assessment of his favourite models. But just be aware of what you are buying.
There are those on this board that revile all Norincos. There are those who perhaps see them as the second coming. The truth is perhaps somewhere in between.
Norincos, on the other hand, can have serious warts. Quality control is erratic. Attention to detail, and evidence of pride in workmanship is frequently lacking. There are too many examples of it being very obvious that the folks making these guns just don't care.
Modern mass produced firearms are not the product of skilled gunmakers working at their benches. They are industrial products. QC is determined by the manufacturing process. Norinco firearms can represent good value for the money. But they can also be almost works in progress that require tuning and adjustment by the buyer. What other manufacturer delivers rifles that may need to have their barrels retorqued so that the barrels are indexed properly, or which will accept industry standard FIELD gauges?
I own 2 Norinco firearms. There are others that I wouldn't take as a gift. Some of the ones that I sold through my business were embarrassing when they were examined in detail. They shot OK, but they were extremely crude.
Cooey firearms were made to fit a lower priced market niche. Cooeys never exhibited the sloppiness and crudity that is sometimes seen in Norincos.
I agree with Hungry in his assessment of his favourite models. But just be aware of what you are buying.
There are those on this board that revile all Norincos. There are those who perhaps see them as the second coming. The truth is perhaps somewhere in between.
Here we go again. I've been very happy with my Nork 1911, NZ-85, Tokarev 54...less so with the .22 Woodsman clone. I'd say to your friend - buy from M*rstar and if it's a lemon, back it goes for another one. Simple, eh?
