A Great Example of the 7.62 Kar98 Israeli Rifle
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very nice!
OkayShooter
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Way nicer than mine.
Someone D&T it for bases, and grinded off most of the stripper clip guide.
Someone D&T it for bases, and grinded off most of the stripper clip guide.
OkayShooter
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Hi Jim,
I haven't tried strippers to see if they work. Barrel a bit pitted, But with Norc 762 I was able to get 1" groups when I had a scope mounted. But my barrel band keeps on loosening and so did my action screws. And sometimes only holds 4rds. Your shoot high with the iron sights?
I would consider mine beat.
Thanks Okay Shooter,
Those groups are pretty good for your rifle. I have not yet used mine, but I have learned from others that these rifles do shoot high (another person I know replaced the front sight on his but I have no plans to do this).
Jim
Those groups are pretty good for your rifle. I have not yet used mine, but I have learned from others that these rifles do shoot high (another person I know replaced the front sight on his but I have no plans to do this).
Jim
And for the k98 nerds among us, note the 4 digit serial number. Oberndorf went to 5 digit serial numbers in 1943 but had left over kk and ll block receivers from 1942 production to get through before starting over for the year.
All German parts too, no Czech or Israeli bits on this rifle.
All German parts too, no Czech or Israeli bits on this rifle.
Nice, it seems to be in really good shape, lucky you! Part of the serial number on the bolt looks like it was re-stamped, the "7" to be more specific, in at least to my uneducated eye. Can someone comment? When a rifle is re-barreled from 8 mm Mauser to 7.62x51 mm, would the bolt need to be changed, or is the original bolt kept with some modifications? Just curious to learn more about those conversions...
Goodday Claven2,
No, it does not have 7.62 burned into the buttstock. I purchased this rifle from a fellow CGB member and he noted that he bought this rifle directly from the import crate and picked it out specifically since the stock did not have 7.62 burned into it.
Jim
No, it does not have 7.62 burned into the buttstock. I purchased this rifle from a fellow CGB member and he noted that he bought this rifle directly from the import crate and picked it out specifically since the stock did not have 7.62 burned into it.
Jim
IMHO the fellow may not have been totally honest. When those came into Canada, they didn't come in crates. They came on pallets and were stacked across each other. At least that's how the Israeli K98 conversions I helped clean up to put onto the shelves did back in the day.
There were many in all sorts of condition. Some had cracked stocks or replacement stocks. The replacement stocks were almost always Beech, with the odd take off stock salvaged from other rifles. Those were almost always beat to hell from extensive use. ALL OF THEM had 7.62 burned into the butts. We did come across a pallet without the 7.62 brand and they were actually in 8x57.
Anything is possible though.
OkayShooter
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Yea my wood stock has plenty of repairs on it, but still got the 762 burnt stock. And I could consider it Fair/Good on the condition scale.
Actually, what I said was that it was one of two old imports that I had kept because they were interesting examples. One (the OP's rifle) was all recycled German parts; milled bands, trigger guard, stock etc. The other was a more typical mixmaster; welded bands, stamped trigger guard and the aforementioned beech replacement stock - which was not engraved with the 7.62. Also, I pointed out both my lack of expert knowledge and the missing engravings, provided extensive pictures in the EE post - and if I had misrepresented any feature of either rifle, none of the over 1,000 people who viewed the add bothered to correct me on it.
I bought a few of mine from the South Calgary location. Joe Dand was a big re seller of milsurp and had a price list three pages long taped to the gun counter.
And they came out of crates.
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When the Israelis were purchasing rifles from Czechoslovakia in 1948, they got a wide assortment. Whatever the Czechs had on hand got shipped.
The OP's rifle is a nice one.
The finest one that I've seen was an FN made specimen in unissued condition. These had the Israeli crest on the receiver ring.
The OP's rifle is a nice one.
The finest one that I've seen was an FN made specimen in unissued condition. These had the Israeli crest on the receiver ring.
I'm not calling the seller a liar, anything can happen, but I would not own an Israeli 7.62 Mauser without the buttstock brand.
I consider any such rifle a fake, as do 99.999999999% of collectors. Fwiw.
Why? Because more often than not it's the sign of a restored fake. There are too many out there that are proper to choose from. 'nuff said.
I consider any such rifle a fake, as do 99.999999999% of collectors. Fwiw.
Why? Because more often than not it's the sign of a restored fake. There are too many out there that are proper to choose from. 'nuff said.
Here's a shot of four of my old beaters that I keep at my shop. The bottom one is DOU 45 action, 7.62 barreled and stocked. Shoots Norinco surplus like a dream, plus my cast loads. I don't think it is matching by any stretch.
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