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Just came from a friend's house and he showed me a A.H. Fox shotgun that he just got back from his brother . H e originally got it from his grandfather. 12 GA ser# c93xx. Likely 80% very nice engraving double trigger, no auto ejectors, nice wood , no rust.
I got the Blue book of gun values and can't figure out a range of values.
COULD anyone give me a general idea.
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saskdude99 said:
Just came from a friend's house and he showed me a A.H. Fox shotgun that he just got back from his brother . H e originally got it from his grandfather. 12 GA ser# c93xx. Likely 80% very nice engraving double trigger, no auto ejectors, nice wood , no rust.
I got the Blue book of gun values and can't figure out a range of values.
COULD anyone give me a general idea.
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They come in various grades. Important to confirm which grade and then condition in order to ascertain value range.

Are you saying there is a "C" stamped near the serial number? Are you saying the engraving is 80% coverage?

Look here at the different grades and figure out which one has similar engraving to the one you looked at:

https://www.foxcollectors.com/fox-gun-grades

With a serial number in the 9300 range the gun was likely made in 1909, so when looking and trying to identify, you have an early gun that would have the early style engraving, of whatever grade it is.

Oh, and Blue Book is an American publication. Not a very good guide to actual current values of vintage shotguns in Canada.
 
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canvasback said:
With a serial number in the 9300 range the gun was likely made in 1909, so when looking and trying to identify, you have an early gun that would have the early style engraving, of whatever grade it is.
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I concur with canvasback, with my limited knowledge.

My A Grade is in the mid 87XX range and it was built in 1908.
 
Okay now we can see it's clearly a early C grade. Not collector quality but seems to be in nice enough condition. Seems is the operative word. As far as a value goes, we don't know barrels length, chokes, LOP, DAH etc. All those things contribute to making it more or less attractive. The vintage market isn't vibrant for 12 gauge, unless its a very special gun. This is not a very special gun. But it's a nice one.

In the US I can quickly find a dozen C grade 12 gauge Foxes. Ranging in price from $3000 to $12,000. I would suggest this example might fit at the lower end of that scale. So maybe $3000 to $5000 if it were in the US......that's asking price. I'm not following it close enough to get a sense of actual transaction price.

Using my usual formula for Canadian pricing, I take the USD numerical value (in this case the mid point of my range....so $4000), use that number in Canadian dollars and discount it 10%. That would give me a Canadian asking in the $3500 range. Everyone is free to quibble and I'm not following higher graded Fox 12 gauges in Canada closely, but that process I just described generally gives me pretty good valuations.
 
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Okay now we can see it's clearly a early C grade. Not collector quality but seems to be in nice enough condition. Seems is the operative word. As far as a value goes, we don't know barrels length, chokes, LOP, DAH etc. All those things contribute to making it more or less attractive. The vintage market isn't vibrant for 12 gauge, unless its a very special gun. This is not a very special gun. But it's a nice one.

In the US I can quickly find a dozen C grade 12 gauge Foxes. Ranging in price from $3000 to $12,000. I would suggest this example might fit at the lower end of that scale. So maybe $3000 to $5000 if it were in the US......that's asking price. I'm not following it close enough to get a sense of actual transaction price.

Using my usual formula for Canadian pricing, I take the USD numerical value (in this case the mid point of my range....so $4000), use that number in Canadian dollars and discount it 10%. That would give me a Canadian asking in the $3500 range. Everyone is free to quibble and I'm not following higher graded Fox 12 gauges in Canada closely, but that process I just described generally gives me pretty good valuations.
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I think your numbers are good, but thanks to the hipster influence the price of 12 gauges is decreasing lately. If it was a 16 or a 28 then the price would be higher. But given that it's a 12 then it is probably on the low end of the spectrum. And since these hundred year of shotguns were designed for people a hundred years ago I wonder if the dimensions will necessarily fit someone of more modern proportions?
 
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I think your numbers are good, but thanks to the hipster influence the price of 12 gauges is decreasing lately. If it was a 16 or a 28 then the price would be higher. But given that it's a 12 then it is probably on the low end of the spectrum. And since these hundred year of shotguns were designed for people a hundred years ago I wonder if the dimensions will necessarily fit someone of more modern proportions?
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Of course that’s why I added the proviso…..we don’t know much about the gun. Condition, dimensions, specs all contribute to move the price up or down. If it was a small bore it would be over $10K usd and that’s where I’d sell it. In the US.
 
I acquired an A.H. Fox shotgun quite a few years ago. Wasn't even looking for one and not being an old Winchester I didn't really know all that much about them. A fellow I had met at a few gunshows came to me with it and was hard pressed for cash and offered me the gun. The gun was in very good condition with sharp checkering and mirror shiny bores with 14 5/8 LOP and selective ejectors. The lever was well right of center and the action closed like a bank vault. it was built like a tank. He made me an offer I couldn't refuse so I bought it and put it in the safe. I was intrigued with the SXS shotgun as it clearly was a quality piece of work so I set about finding out what I had. Turned out to be an HE Grade Super Fox with sn in the 27,000 range. A US friend searched it out for me but it's been quite a few years now but he confirmed it was an HE Grade Super Fox that came with 30" barrels amd 3" chambers. I was a bit disappointed as the barrels only measured 28". Very nicely done and looks original but obviously not. My US friend said it was still a valuable gun, in the condition it was in, even though the barrels had been shortened by 2" but not worth what it would with 30" barrels. Went to the range with it and was surprised it patterned in right around modified and point of aim seemed to be right on. There's no choke markings on the barrel script so without knowing I would have assumed it was originally a modified choked gun. Nice gun just the same and I like it.
 
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That’s a shame about the barrels being cut on the HE, Rod. The big deal on the SuperFoxes is the barrel boring and the chokes. It was designed to be a long range waterfowl gun with XFull/XFull chokes. And of course a larger action……the guns typically weigh in the 9-11 pound range depending on specific configuration rather than the 7-8 pound range of the standard size Fox 12 gauges.
 
I agree it's too bad the barrels were cut and it is a heavy gun but carries well. I've used it for deer here on the Island with XX buck. The gun is more useful with open chokes but the 28" barrels, I don't doubt, cuts the value in half.
 
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