A question on zeros

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Hey folks.

I'm hoping to get some advice from the vets on the zero for my optic. After shooting the match last weekend I'm inclined to set my optic to 25 yards and then figure out the hold over/under for the 35-10 yard shots.

I have a rifle and optic that will be dedicated to ORA CQB matches.

What do you use and why?

Thanks in advance from a noob that's totally hooked already.
 
Hey folks.

I'm hoping to get some advice from the vets on the zero for my optic. After shooting the match last weekend I'm inclined to set my optic to 25 yards and then figure out the hold over/under for the 35-10 yard shots.

I have a rifle and optic that will be dedicated to ORA CQB matches.

What do you use and why?

Thanks in advance from a noob that's totally hooked already.

This is my go to. I want to secure those points in the modified prone as best I can. Every other position is less stable.
 
Hey folks.

I'm hoping to get some advice from the vets on the zero for my optic. After shooting the match last weekend I'm inclined to set my optic to 25 yards and then figure out the hold over/under for the 35-10 yard shots.

I have a rifle and optic that will be dedicated to ORA CQB matches.

What do you use and why?

Thanks in advance from a noob that's totally hooked already.

Yes, I zero at 25 yards, using a cradle. But then I get to the match and the zero is off...
 
I zero off a sandbag at 25 yards. I use a silver ink Sharpie to mark that spot on the turret.

A 25 yard zero is also a zero for about 275 yards. That is, if you want to change the zero to 100 yards, you have to come DOWN about 4 minutes.

But, for a dedicated CQB rifle, a 25 yard zero is about right.

Remember the scope is about 2.5" above the bore. So at 25 yards the bullet has been aimed UP to intersect the line of sight, 2.5 inches above the bore.

At distances beyond 25 yards (I think we shoot at 30 and 35 yards) the bullet will keep rising, and hit high. So I aim at the bottom of the white, or a bit lower.

As we advance on the target, closer than 25 yards, we have to aim higher and higher. I aim at the center of the white, until I get to 15 and 10 yards. Then I aim at the top of the white.

For Modified Prone, use the practice session to get a solid idea of where you have to aim. We get to shoot 10 shots in Snap (2 shots per whistle. Instead of shooting the 2 shots on 2 targets, shoot them all on one target. For the Rapid, shoot all 10 at the other target.

This will give you a pair of groups to look at to assess where you have to aim to put them all in the bull.

Do you have an idea now of where the gun shoots in MF? If so, use that info to pick an aiming point. If you don't know, aim at the top left corner of the white wrist mark.

If you have a zoom optic, crank it up a bit. I shoot MF on 5X. As the group forms, I can see it. I look at the Snap group, make a guess for a better aim point, and then shoot the Rapid at the new point. From that result I can make another adjustment of where to aim, if needed.

This is my 10 SNAP shots aimed at one target. I aimed at the center top of the white. It looks like I should aim a half inch lower, to make sure I get 10 bulls. The two out to the left are from the standing Rapid.

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Another vote for the 25 yard zero. It works for me. I don't mess around with hold overs for closer in shots. I just hold on the center of the white part of the wrist. Shots should always be in the V-bull zone even as you come in for the closer shots and POI naturally drops. Max drop will be 2.5 inches at point blank (sight over bore distance) so at 10 yards, you'll have enough wiggle room. Welcome to the CQB party!
 
+ 1 on 25 yards .... did my zeroing at Base Borden , followed the advice old pro's on CGN ....looking forward to my CQB party...lol !!!
 
Just to clarify....the CofF states 1 shot left, 1 shot right. Similar for rapid. The idea is that you shift your aim and transition between targets.

Shoot 10 shots at one target in the snap and then 10 shots at the other in the rapid is NOT in accordance with the CofF and thus not in accordance with the rules of the match. It's easier than the CofF so that makes it cheating.

Sounds like something that warrants a DQ to me if done during the scoring phase. Practicing the wrong way could lead to DOING it the wrong way when scores count.
 
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As you can see by my target picture, I used this technique in the PRACTICE session, to verify a zero issue. When I shoot left and right (as in the match) my group gets bigger and my zero gets lost in the noise.

But, as Bolivar points out, anytime you practice differently than you intend to shoot the match, there is a real risk of screwing up the match.

My scores in Mod Prone were never as good as I thought they should be, so I wanted to make sure I had the zero as perfect as I could so that the bigger group I get in the match has a chance of being centered for a max score.
 
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